2016 NHL Draft

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Nylander seems like a player you add to your core, not when your are establishing a core.

Having Johnny Hockey in our top six kind of limits what we can add in terms of smallish skilled guys. Need to add some size that comes with skill.

Alex Nylander is not exactly small at 6 foot, 195 pounds right now. He is certainly not afraid to go into traffic either. His skill set is also better imo than some of the bigger guys. I would have zero issue with Nylander at 5 or 6.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I know not every list is the same but it seems like the only lists out there that don't have Matthews at the top are the ones trying to be different. I mean I've seen a list with Pulljajarvi at 8 or something. From what I've seen Matthews is by far the best player out there and he plays the most important forward position, you can move a center to the wing but you can't always move a winger to center.

Another issue with all of this is that there's the assumption that the coyotes would give up a lot just to get Matthews. Arizona has started to improve their team and maybe they really like all the players that they have. They may also be some of the people you mentioned that don't see that big of a difference between 1-3 and if they do see a difference it may only be a 3rd round pick to move up kind of difference.

As I said, I think Matthews is head and shoulders above the other 2 (who are still pretty amazing) and IMO you have to take the quality over the quantity. The teams the Flames have put together in the past had more of a quantity feel to them with all the 20 goal scorers and depth at every position. The team seemed like it was a bunch of ok players with 2 or 3 stars and really only 1 forward who was a star. I don't think that's how you build a winner, I actually think that's how you build teams we've had in the past. If you look at the teams who've won a cup recently, they've all drafted first overall or very close and that's because they took the BPA. I spoke of building blocks but and picked quality because in order to build something properly, you need a good foundation and Matthews has the makings of great player who could actually be the best player on the team, he's a guy you build around. The next guys are amazing guys and could be guys like that too but I think it's better to have more guys you build around then guys that you use to build around others (if that makes sense).

So unless Arizona is willing to over pay (and it would have to be more than just their first rounder and 1 player, I'm talkingi a huge over payment) I think you take Matthews. I guess I did make it sound like there was no way to do it but again the whole "anything's possible" comes into play.

I don't even think Arizona would overpay where it's worthwhile to trade Matthews. For a club that's been seriously handicapped by financial woes, they've always managed to put together a competitive product. I can't see them mortgaging their chances at building a winning dynasty for a local celebrity. Not unless they felt Matthews alone was good enough to provide that. Well, if McDavid can't single handedly ensure the Oilers are winning, I'm not sure Matthews can do more for Arizona all by himself.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Go_Flames4ever

If we win the lottery and get 1st OA and the Coyotes go 2nd/3rd, and they really wanted to land Matthews for obvious reason. Would something like this work?

2nd OA + Perlini. Big, fast, skilled LW that can play behind Johnny.

Or 2nd OA + Merkley + 2nd rounder. Great playmaker for the 2nd line with probably Monahan in the future similar to the Monny/Johnny duo right now, and he's a local kid.

Add on Laine/Puljujarvi for our 1st line along with Gaudreau and Bennett. That would give us a very amazing and young top-6 core.

No because Perlini and Merkley are not very good prospects. They have not progressed very well since being drafted.

[bax]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Curious as to what attitude and why you don't like him going to Switzerland?

Yeah, that is a very off reason to not like Matthews. I fail to see how him going to Switzerland means he has a bat attitude?

[shotinthebacklund]

Conroy is on Fan960 and also mentioned Matthews in Switzerland is a annoyance as they have limited chances to view him.

[howard_the_duck]

Strange comment from Conroy, especially since the Finns are no more convenient to watch and are projected to go 2/3.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Alex Nylander is not exactly small at 6 foot, 195 pounds right now. He is certainly not afraid to go into traffic either. His skill set is also better imo than some of the bigger guys. I would have zero issue with Nylander at 5 or 6.

Problem is you have added 23 pounds to Nylander that doesn't exist. The Steelheads have him listed at 172. The heaviest I've seen him listed is 179. That's a far cry from 195. And Alex Nylander is not a big burly guy that is going to provide any level of truculence. He doesn't check off many boxes the Flames are looking for. In today's NHL he is small and he plays small. Pass in a big way.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Strange comment from Conroy, especially since the Finns are no more convenient to watch and are projected to go 2/3.

Pretty sure they have a Finnish scout that is probably scouting Laine and Puljujarvi on the regular (Ari Hanpaa?). Don't think there's a Swiss scout so people have to go out of their way to scout him. Laine has played with the Finnish men's team as well, an additional scouting opportunity that Matthews wasn't in on.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Go_Flames4ever

If we win the lottery and get 1st OA and the Coyotes go 2nd/3rd, and they really wanted to land Matthews for obvious reason. Would something like this work?

2nd OA + Perlini. Big, fast, skilled LW that can play behind Johnny.

Or 2nd OA + Merkley + 2nd rounder. Great playmaker for the 2nd line with probably Monahan in the future similar to the Monny/Johnny duo right now, and he's a local kid.

Add on Laine/Puljujarvi for our 1st line along with Gaudreau and Bennett. That would give us a very amazing and young top-6 core.

I don't mind the idea but I'd also be looking at some of the Coyotes top 50 prospects. Guys like Dvorak, Garland, Fischer. Garland and Fischer are RWs. ARI should be able to put together a package we can't turn down if they really want the #1 pick from us.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

It still amazes me how the sons of a former player can both be so good. I sometimes wonder if it's mostly genes or practice? Or the mix of the two probably more likely but if Michael Nylander adopted 2 random babies would they make the NHL?

Genes + practice + money. Elite hockey players are increasingly drawn from the most affluent families.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Curious as to what attitude and why you don't like him going to Switzerland?

I have no thoughts on this, but Conroy sure seemed to think he'd rather see him in the CHL or college (I think in that order). For all that "playing against men" elevates him, playing against a thin talent pool, bigger ice and a generally less physical game seems to weigh heavily on Conroy's mind.

That said, it seemed like he was their number one without a doubt.

[saillias]

Of course an NHL management guy doesn't like a prospect playing in Switzerland pre-draft. It's against the grain, unprecedented and individualistic. Things hockey people don't like. The idea of more elite prospects taking this route also presents a threat to the established hockey machine of North America.

Conroy said they had viewed him 15 times as opposed to the 50 they would have if he was in the CHL.

[shotinthebacklund]

I honestly think Conroy dropped a hint, Intentional or not about the idea of moving down in the draft and taking one of the big three remaining if the opportunities arise.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Where is/was this Conroy interview? Nevermind found it.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/boomer-m...rep-for-draft/

[AcGold]

I'm I'm favor of packaging picks for roster players like with Dougie. His contract is going to be dynamite in no time, simultaneously it would be optimal to have several rfa forwards to play along with Johnny, Sean and Sam.

I'm in favor of getting a really really good lineup for a couple of years instead of spreading the prospects from 18-25 in which case we'll have a rotating door of a few good players instead of 3 solid top lines and a good goalie. Please disagree or agree at will.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Where is/was this Conroy interview? Nevermind found it.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/boomer-m...rep-for-draft/

So who was Conroy talking about 1:30 in? Investigators, investigate!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

So who was Conroy talking about 1:30 in? Investigators, investigate!

Probably Tim Harrison. Makes sense to check in on his development. The only draft eligible guys are smallish forwards. Could possibly be Rory McGuire, but I suspect it was just to see Harrison.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Just speculating but from Conroy's radio hit this morning, it sounds like he was in Boston yesterday scouting Poturalski or Kelleher.

He said he was in Boston to scout a college guy, who was playing a must win game on Sunday and that guys team lost.

Only two games last night in the Boston area. UNH vs Merrimack and Sacred Heart vs Bentley. UNH and Sacred Heart lost.

Scanning through the UNH roster there isn't much draft wise. Sacred Heart doesn't seem to have much draft wise or college free agent wise.

Unless Conroy was there to watch a very under the radar player, it is likely he was there to watch one of Poturaski or Kelleher

^ From the prospects forum

[Rick M.]

Has the date of the draft lottery been published?

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

I honestly think Conroy dropped a hint, Intentional or not about the idea of moving down in the draft and taking one of the big three remaining if the opportunities arise.

I really don't think so. Seems like a stretch, especially for Conny.