TSN Longform: Lifetime Penalty

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Good thing, since that is not a grammatical error. It's a typo.

Enough with these "credibility" sanctions for meaningless commonplace mistakes that we ALL make.

Wait, am I taking crazy pills? Haven't you quite frequently made a point of mentioning when people make grammatical errors, over the years?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Wait, am I taking crazy pills? Haven't you quite frequently made a point of mentioning when people make grammatical errors, over the years?

Yes. Which is why I made a point to show that this was a TYPO, and NOT a grammatical error. There is a pretty significant difference.

[jayswin]

Sorry, I thought you were referring to both grammatical errors and typos as you mentioned we should look past these small errors. There was only one typo, the other was grammar. But I see how you were using "these" now, my bad.

Also, I noticed last week you committed a your/you're transgression.

Oddly enough it wasn't the common "your" in place of "you're", it was the other way around, haha.

[jayswin]

Here it is, please bow your head in a moment of shame Mr. Textcritic.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=112

You're posts read like a caricature

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Stevens played within the rules of the day. Granted, be played right at the edge of the rules, but within them.

These days, the rules are different, and alot of his hits would be illegal. And that is a good thing.

For sure. He was "playing the game the way it was meant to be played!" and became a legend doing it.

He'd be suspended for most of those hits now, back then he didn't even get a penalty. And "back then" isn't even all that long ago.

I watched a lot of that stuff live, and cheered out loud. I wasn't even a Devils fan! I loved Scott Stevens though, even as a little kid.

I cringe seeing some of those hits now though. There is a pretty clear intent to injure going on there in some of those. That hit on Kariya was the most blatant blindside ever. The only crazier thing than the hit was that he came back and scored the winning goal.

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think the free market will decide.

Agreed, and one thing the NHL has going for it is that there aren't many "old time hockey" people left (and I'm, unfortunately, probably old enough to be considered one).

Now that the consequences of a concussion are pretty much common knowledge, they'll be able to tweak the rules without pissing off the "base" and maybe attract new fans at the same time.

There aren't many people who want to see some 22-year-old kid get a brain injury, now that we know that's what he's getting, even if it does mean that NHL hockey has to change.

Anyway, bla bla bla... these stories about enforcers suffering the consequences are depressing as hell.

Also, whoever designed the page on which Peluso's story is plastered should probably get their heads checked. What a mess!

[Itse]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I've played and watched soccer for over 45 years and i can't remember ever seeing a concussion.
Im not saying it doesn't happen but I can't believe it's common.

You surely have, you just don't remember it. In the last World Cup at least one player was completely out cold for a while, and I think I recall another guy pretty clearly staggering to his feet confused. It was pretty ugly actually as he just kept playing. In hockey that guy would have easily been banned from playing that night by the team doctors. So clearly there is room for improvement in soccer.

Oh yeah, and Petec Cech rather famously broke his skull, pretty sure everyone remembers that one

That said, I agree that they seem quite rare. More importantly, soccer has been played for a long time by a huge amount of people without that much change, and I haven't heard of soccer players having the kinds of post-career problems with concussion symptoms that you hear about in hockey. I would imagine that if this was a notable issue, it would have turned up simply because of the massive amounts of soccer being played all around the world. That for me is the biggest reason why I'm not too worried.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Itse

You surely have, you just don't remember it. In the last World Cup at least one player was completely out cold for a while, and I think I recall another guy pretty clearly staggering to his feet confused. It was pretty ugly actually as he just kept playing. In hockey that guy would have easily been banned from playing that night by the team doctors. So clearly there is room for improvement in soccer.

Oh yeah, and Petec Cech rather famously broke his skull, pretty sure everyone remembers that one

That said, I agree that they seem quite rare. More importantly, soccer has been played for a long time by a huge amount of people without that much change, and I haven't heard of soccer players having the kinds of post-career problems with concussion symptoms that you hear about in hockey. I would imagine that if this was a notable issue, it would have turned up simply because of the massive amounts of soccer being played all around the world. That for me is the biggest reason why I'm not too worried.

I probably should have been clear, I meant from heading the ball, goalies are always at risk of occasionally getting a boot to the head, although usually when they are on the ground, and head clashes happen every now and then, but they are rare and I doubt most players get more than one or two in a career.
Short of ending soccer as a game you aren't going to stop that.

As you say old soccer players generally are at risk of becoming bad TV commentators, ultimately life has risk and we should stop trying to wrap everyone in bubble wrap.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I probably should have been clear, I meant from heading the ball, goalies are always at risk of occasionally getting a boot to the head, although usually when they are on the ground, and head clashes happen every now and then, but they are rare and I doubt most players get more than one or two in a career.
Short of ending soccer as a game you aren't going to stop that.

As you say old soccer players generally are at risk of becoming bad TV commentators, ultimately life has risk and we should stop trying to wrap everyone in bubble wrap.

This isn't akin to "wrapping everyone in bubble wrap." This is about ensuring quality of life for professional athletes after their retirement from sport. It is about protecting our kids from avoidable potentially mortal danger, and from permanent disability.

This is a really serious issue. My son plays high school rugby and one of his teammates will likely never play sports again, will now not be able to pursue a career in the military like he had hoped, and very realistically will not manage to gain entry into university. All of this because of a serious concussion he suffered on the field in a game last year. This is SO much different than protecting kids from broken bones, hurt feelings, or moral purity.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This isn't akin to "wrapping everyone in bubble wrap." This is about ensuring quality of life for professional athletes after their retirement from sport. It is about protecting our kids from avoidable potentially mortal danger, and from permanent disability.

This is a really serious issue. My son plays high school rugby and one of his teammates will likely never play sports again, will now not be able to pursue a career in the military like he had hoped, and very realistically will not manage to gain entry into university. All of this because of a serious concussion he suffered on the field in a game last year. This is SO much different than protecting kids from broken bones, hurt feelings, or moral purity.

There is no way to play any kind of contact sport or even most non contact team game that doesn't involve some concussions, nor riding a bike or skateboarding or driving or rock climbing.
You get concussion in basic training as well, you get them from falling down stairs after you get drunk at your 65 birthday at the legion (my grandad) or breaking a horse in your 70's (my father in law, tough old coot).

Their is no way to prevent concussions, now should we ban some sports intirely as they have an almost certain risk of concussion? I'd say no as I like hockey and football and there is no way to make them safe, no mma or boxing either.
But that is a reasonable argument.

But make no mistake, there is no way to make hockey safe, ultimately this ends with no hockey.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

There is no way to play any kind of contact sport or even most non contact team game that doesn't involve some concussions, nor riding a bike or skateboarding or driving or rock climbing.
You get concussion in basic training as well, you get them from falling down stairs after you get drunk at your 65 birthday at the legion (my grandad) or breaking a horse in your 70's (my father in law, tough old coot).

Their is no way to prevent concussions, now should we ban some sports intirely as they have an almost certain risk of concussion? I'd say no as I like hockey and football and there is no way to make them safe, no mma or boxing either.
But that is a reasonable argument.

But make no mistake, there is no way to make hockey safe, ultimately this ends with no hockey.

You are right about all of this, and I have no quibble with the clear recognition of the inherent danger of participation in sports. But the real issue here is doing our utmost to ensure that sports are AS SAFE AS REASONABLY POSSIBLE, and I don't believe we are near that level in practically all of them. Hockey can absolutely be safer, as can football. It behooves us to do whatever we can to promote safety and to dramatically reduce the incidence of head injuries.

[afc wimbledon]

Ironically the best thing we could do to make both hockey and football safer is remove the helmets and body armour.

[Textcritic]

^
uh, no.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

^
uh, no.

Actually yes, the helmets and padding do nothing to prevent concussion but have increased the level of 'recklessness'.
There's absolutely no difference to the contact risk in Rugby and the NFL but rugby and Aussie rules have massively lower concussions precisely because no one in their right mind leads with the head in rugby, you'd get as effed up as the other guy.