...Things like MMA and Boxing? Probably should be out right banned. I know that'll be ulta unpopular, but we know that repeated blows to the head causes health issues....yet we just keep the sport 'cause what? we are entertained by it?
Not a popular position, and it may mean hard choices in the future....but I don't see this going away or how it can even remain status quo forever. I understand the billion dollar organizations are going to fight this tooth and nail, but IMO that just delays change, it is not going to stop it.
I don't disagree. Watching an MMA fighter take a roundhouse to the head and you CLEARLY see he is knocked out, then watching his opponent jump him and wail on his face/head until the ref physically breaks it up is sickening.
However, many sports have inherent dangers and not just to the head. You say banning certain sports is inevitable, but where do you draw the line? There are guys who played pro sports who can barely walk anymore due to banged up knees, or guys who can even lift their arms above shoulder height because of repeated shoulder injuries.
I the free market will decide where to draw the line.
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I don't disagree. Watching an MMA fighter take a roundhouse to the head and you CLEARLY see he is knocked out, then watching his opponent jump him and wail on his face/head until the ref physically breaks it up is sickening.
However, many sports have inherent dangers and not just to the head. You say banning certain sports is inevitable, but where do you draw the line? There are guys who played pro sports who can barely walk anymore due to banged up knees, or guys who can even lift their arms above shoulder height because of repeated shoulder injuries.
I the free market will decide where to draw the line.
I can't disagree, and the free market tends to follow the social moral conscience over time. To that end, I would bet that a hundred years from now our descendants will look back on our collective appetite for blood sports much the same we we look back with revulsion on the gladiatorial spectacles of ancient Rome.
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I've played and watched soccer for over 45 years and i can't remember ever seeing a concussion.
Im not saying it doesn't happen but I can't believe it's common.
Aha! Definitive proof!
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I agree, however at one time it was accepted that wearing of mouth guards did reduce concussions. I heard it all the time during the 90's playing higher level rugby.
In fact 2 years ago at a coaches meeting for lacrosse I heard the same thing. A member of Red Deer Lacrosse stipulated that all kids needed to wear mouth guards to avoid concussion. When I questioned her, she could not respond.
I would suggest that the opinion on mouth guards and what they do regarding concussions is misunderstood by many in the populace.
I heard it in Rugby too, mouthguards to prevent your teeth gnashing together/concussing you.
I had two concussions in two years playing rugby and quit the sport.
I can't disagree, and the free market tends to follow the social moral conscience over time. To that end, I would bet that a hundred years from now our descendants will look back on our collective appetite for blood sports much the same we we look back with revulsion on the gladiatorial spectacles of ancient Rome.
If that is true, why do we bother with workplace safety?
I heard it in Rugby too, mouthguards to prevent your teeth gnashing together/concussing you.
I had two concussions in two years playing rugby and quit the sport.
Mouth guards, if properly fitted can protect teeth but there is no evidence that they prevent concussions. What does prevent concussions is respect for other participants in the sport, rule changes to prevent high speed collisions targeting the head, and a change in the culture of sport to realize the severity of concussions.
The focus should not only be on professionals though, look at amateur athletics and children. I know that we had the stop patches on the backs of jerseys when I was growing up, I think that we need something similar needs to be done for concussions, including increased awareness among coaches and referees for concussions and their potential. If a player gets hit and is groggy, I think that the referee in minor hockey should have the ability to send that player to the dressing room for the rest of the game. Put concussion awareness training into the education package for referees.
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They should play this in court whenever someone from the NHL tries to minimize the connection between the sport and concussions:
That being said, I'll admit to being a neanderthal. I've jumped out of my seat for several of those types of hits. When I saw him hit Kariya, I was shocked Kariya came back to play. With current standards, I suspect Paul should have been kept out of the rest of the Stanley Cup Finals, although I'm sure team doctors would still find a way to patch him up in no time.
They should play this in court whenever someone from the NHL tries to minimize the connection between the sport and concussions:
That being said, I'll admit to being a neanderthal. I've jumped out of my seat for several of those types of hits. When I saw him hit Kariya, I was shocked Kariya came back to play. With current standards, I suspect Paul should have been kept out of the rest of the Stanley Cup Finals, although I'm sure team doctors would still find a way to patch him up in no time.
The only ones I have a problem with are 10 which is kneeing and 2 which is a bit late. Stevens was a beast and certainly didn't pick his spots, "Nobody gets a free ride."
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I've played and watched soccer for over 45 years and i can't remember ever seeing a concussion.
Im not saying it doesn't happen but I can't believe it's common.
My wife played for the Dinos and one time while the ball was up, she went for the header along with a player from the opposing team. They're heads collided and the opposing player got knocked out and had to leave the game. Concussions happen in a lot of non-contact sports. Hell even speedskating has concussions. Kristina Groves couldn't finish her 2011 season because of it. Brianne Tutt just posted how she's been having concussion symptoms for the past 2 years.
The only ones I have a problem with are 10 which is kneeing and 2 which is a bit late. Stevens was a beast and certainly didn't pick his spots, "Nobody gets a free ride."
You have no problem with players suffering significant head injuries that could potentially end their careers and put their long term health in jeopardy?
I loved Stevens too, but he played in a time before knowing what we know about head injuries.
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"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
I've played and watched soccer for over 45 years and i can't remember ever seeing a concussion.
Im not saying it doesn't happen but I can't believe it's common.
I think the one big problem is that subconcussive blows to the head may contribute to CTE as well. Basically, any blow that moves your brain around inside your skull is bad for you.
You have no problem with players suffering significant head injuries that could potentially end their careers and put their long term health in jeopardy?
Watching boxing or now MMA, I root for one guy to inflict damage on the other. These injuries could end their careers or result in long term health issues.
I remember taking my senior mother to a Flames-LA game back when Chris Simon was on the team. Simon decided to use Jeff Cowan as a punching bag and I was shocked to see my 5'0", 90 lb mother jump out of her chair and start cheering. She didn't do that for goals.
So to answer your question, I'm torn. Intellectually I know what is going on and the implications. Instinctively I still get a rush seeing a Scott Stevens type hit, a linebacker or safety destroying a receiver, or a knockout in the ring. I read the whole article and watched the videos and yes, it affected me seeing Peluso crying. But I think it will be a long time before it makes me disgusted with physical violence in sports.
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...I read the whole article and watched the videos and yes, it affected me seeing Peluso crying. But I think it will be a long time before it makes me disgusted with physical violence in sports.
I expect that is a common response in this day and age, but I also think that number will continue to shrink over time as we continue to learn about head trauma. Will our kids and grandkids continue to have the same reaction? I doubt it.
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"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
You have no problem with players suffering significant head injuries that could potentially end their careers and put their long term health in jeopardy?
I loved Stevens too, but he played in a time before knowing what we know about head injuries.
Stevens played within the rules of the day. Granted, be played right at the edge of the rules, but within them.
These days, the rules are different, and alot of his hits would be illegal. And that is a good thing.
The theme of the thread though is where to draw the line between entertainment and safety. Is MMA still acceptable in a civilized society? Are devastating knee, shoulder or other injuries acceptable risks for entertainment purposes in other sports like soccer and hockey?
I think the free market will decide.
I don't spend dollars on MMA because I think it's too brutal. The odd hockey fight to me is ok, so I spend on the NHL.
Stevens played within the rules of the day. Granted, be played right at the edge of the rules, but within them.
These days, the rules are different, and alot of his hits would be illegal. And that is a good thing.
The theme of the thread though is where to draw the line between entertainment and safety. Is MMA still acceptable in a civilized society? Are devastating knee, shoulder or other injuries acceptable risks for entertainment purposes in other sports like soccer and hockey?
I think the free market will decide.
I don't spend dollars on MMA because I think it's too brutal. The odd hockey fight to me is ok, so I spend on the NHL.
Your post lost all credibility when you put a "b" in he.
And I'm not even a grammar nazi.
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