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Old 03-04-2016, 08:49 AM   #181
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Saw it was hiller in net, turned the game off after period 1.

Awful hockey to watch this season.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:11 AM   #182
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Why would they???
That was a clean hit. If it was dirty and they Ray Emery'd Garbutt then fine.

Hate seeing every clean hit answered like that. Domi looked no better then his goon father there.

That was actually a real chicken #### move by Duclair and Domi.

That was cowardess to jump a guy from behind like that. It was a clean hit that didn't call for it. Keep that crap away frombthe Flames style of play unless it is after a dirty hit.

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Watched it a couple of more times now and damn that was dirty by Domi. What a ####ing chicken #### move .
I want the Flames to be way more physical out there but Domi was complete bush league on that play and I would easily throw 3 games at him for that. Clean hit leads to a mugging, pretty pathetic actually.

Do I think somebody needed to a have a word with Gorges last absolutely but that's not how it works most of the time.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:12 AM   #183
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Only because the Oilers are the luckiest team in the history of sports. Do you know the saying, "You have to be good to be lucky"? Yeah, it isn't true.
At least we can say that all things considered, luck hasn't really amounted to much for them.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:21 AM   #184
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Saw it was hiller in net, turned the game off after period 1.

Awful hockey to watch this season.
It was a pretty entertaining game, even if it's frustrating to watch Hiller get beat high over and over. Not awful hockey at all.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:25 AM   #185
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At least we can say that all things considered, luck hasn't really amounted to much for them.
Right. That's because along with being the luckiest, the Oilers are also the most incompetent.
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Waits for CP to implode when Ortio goes to the A , and we run with Backstrom/Hiller combo

and god no to "Hitchcock hockey" !
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Old 03-04-2016, 10:28 AM   #187
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Right. That's because along with being the luckiest, the Oilers are also the most incompetent.
The Edmonton Oilers: Shaping the Future through Luck and Pure Incompetence.
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Old 03-04-2016, 10:30 AM   #188
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Only because the Oilers are the luckiest team in the history of sports. Do you know the saying, "You have to be good to be lucky"? Yeah, it isn't true.
Not true. They were good at being bad, and you have to be bad to be lucky in the lottery, so they were good to be lucky.
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Old 03-04-2016, 10:36 AM   #189
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The Edmonton Oilers: Shaping the Future through Luck and Pure Incompetence.
The LPI index?
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Old 03-04-2016, 10:48 AM   #190
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Nothing much to say about this game, except that the players check out completely when Hiller is in net. Reminds of when Kipper would sit and the backup would come in and the team would completely blow chunks. Except Hiller plays regularly, so they check out all the time.

Sad and pathetic. Hard to wake up for games when you know you goalie is going to let in 5+ goals every single f'ing time.

-Worst goaltending in the league
-Worst PP
-Worst PK
-2nd worst GAA (1 goal away from worst)
-4th worst goal differential
-2nd worst away record
-29th place overall

Rebuilds are painful. But really there is no where to go but up next season. Let's snag that top 3 pick and take the next step. At least we can all hope that is what happens.
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Old 03-04-2016, 11:19 AM   #191
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BT has lots of work to do this summer:

Gaudreau-Monahan-???
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Bouma-Backlund-???
???-???-Hathaway

I'm done with Ferland, Stajan, Jooris, Colborne, Bollig. They bring nothing. They were fine when starting out the re-build but they now need to be replaced.

Brodie-Hamilton
Gio-???
Kevin-Nakladal
Engelland

Gio-Brodie need to be split up, balance the lineup. Find a #4 dman.

???
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Need both goalies.

Coaches - All need to be let go and bring in a proper coaching staff. Just like forwards, Hartley was ok to start the re-build now give the reigns to a coach with some structure.
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I'm done with Ferland, Stajan, Jooris, Colborne, Bollig. They bring nothing. They were fine when starting out the re-build but they now need to be replaced.
I agree with all your points, but I'd be willing to give Ferland another year on the 4th line. He needs to figure out what game he really needs to be playing to stay in the NHL.
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...Coaches - All need to be let go and bring in a proper coaching staff. Just like forwards, Hartley was ok to start the re-build now give the reigns to a coach with some structure.
I have gone on record in the past that I don't believe that the coaching staff is great. I think it has been fine until most recently—in that, it has performed a function that was useful to the team at this stage in its development. But we are rapidly approaching that point where the coaching staff has outlived its usefulness, and the roster is evolving to a point where different coaches are needed.

Having said that, I'm not convinced that now is the right time to make a coaching change unless there are better options available. Are there? I'm not convinced. It may well be better for the Flames to wait this out another six or seven months, or even a year.
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I looked into the penalty issue a bit...

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Since the start of February, the Flames have had more PP in a game 6 times, fewer PP in a game 6 times, and an equal number of PP chances 4 times. From that POV, it doesn't seem that the refs are taking out anything on the Flames because of Wideman. On the other hand, the Flames have been shorthanded at least 5 times in a game in 7 games this season -- 5 of those games have been since February 1.


What's really odd is that the refs in Buffalo are both relatively low on the list of all NHL refs for the number of power plays they give out per game.
Thank you for this post. I was thinking about this last night too and trying to determine the best way to look at it objectively. In that vein, do you have the data broken out as a rolling 5 (or x) game average for penalty calls against?
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Old 03-04-2016, 12:16 PM   #195
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Better add Bouma to your list. It you're writing off all those guys, better keep going and send Bouma and his $2.2M salary packing as well. Massive overpayment for a guy whose best skill is blocking pucks and getting hurt.
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Old 03-04-2016, 12:22 PM   #196
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Waits for CP to implode when Ortio goes to the A , and we run with Backstrom/Hiller combo

and god no to "Hitchcock hockey" !
They don't even need to send Ortio down, just starting Backstrom next game will send a bunch of us off the deep end.
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Hartley has lost the room. Effort is terrible. No one wants to pay to see this crap. Plus: Technical areas remain crap all year. Questionable decisions like Hiller Hiller Hiller.

3 years is about the max for an average coach.
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You're kidding yourself. Every team has injuries.
True. And when the injuries all pile up at the same position, it hurts more than when they are spread throughout the lineup. When your #1 defenceman is ineffective because of surgery and your #2 is not playing at all, it makes a lot more difference than having two random guys out.

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No, not every team. Most teams play fairly similar defensive systems. Hartley's system is an outlier because he, and only he, relies heavily on the defencemen to generate offence on the rush. No other team in the league calls upon its D for that much of its attack.

Hamilton had only ever played for Julien, whose systems are much more conventional. For a 22-year-old kid on his second NHL job, it was a big adjustment. It wouldn't have mattered so much if he had been brought in as a third-pairing defenceman – but he had to play big minutes right away while Brodie was out, and he wasn't up to it.

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And yet this is a team that set a franchise record for consecutive home wins, and had an even goal differential after their top defence pair got back to work in November. Were there areas of concern? You bet your boots. Are there gaps in the lineup, things that need to be fixed? Of course. This is what makes them below average.

But the only reasons, the only reasons, that they are in the toilet bowl with Edmonton and Toronto are (1) they started the season without an acceptable goalie and with half their defence not functioning, and (2) they are finishing with their only acceptable goalie out for the year and several key players traded away for futures. It's a very bad team now. Before the deadline, it was merely mediocre.

You appear to think that when two people disagree about how bad a situation is, the person who thinks it is less bad is kidding himself. Well, I can tell you that when one person thinks the sky is falling and the other one doesn't, the person who is kidding himself is the one who thinks it is.

You can go ahead and moan, bitch, and whine in despair, if that's how you get your kicks. But kindly don't go lobbing insults at those of us who choose to keep leveller heads.
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Yup if we go with Backstrom/Hiller for the rest of the year I'm going to lose it.
Send hiller down NOW. He is way worse than Ramo was when he got sent down.
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Yep, as far as I am concerned, Ferland has been hot poo all year. Just couldn't put it all together. How people could lobby Ferland is a "top 6" fw is still ahead scratcher. He's certainly ha the chances and nothing showing for it. Not writing him off but I am a firm believer that he a great 4th line guy, like Bouma.

Bouma I can forgive a little more. He's been through some tough injures, the contract got to his head it appears and he's not doing what made him a fan favorite over the last few years.

The rest of the bottom 6 seems to have lost a step this season. Bollig is scratched more nights than not, Jooris..... well Jooris is a solid 4th liner. Takes some ridiculous penalties. Colborne I think has had his run, not sure how he fits moving forward. Him leaving the Flames is going to be a heartbreaker for him though.
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