16/17 Goalie Situation

[Demetric]

I dont think there is a UFA goalie out there that warrants over 4 mil per season, TBH

[albertGQ]

I don't want Reimer at 6X6.

But would take him at $5M for 3 years

[shotinthebacklund]

Elliot is going to be available I believe at the draft.

Elliot ----- Ortio

Right age , Right $ I believe he is more reliable than all UFA and should not take the same level of value to acquire as some other goalies.

[Geeoff]

If we come in with a tandem of Ramo/Ortio, I'm probably just gonna skip next season.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Elliot is going to be available I believe at the draft.

Elliot ----- Ortio

Right age , Right $ I believe he is more reliable than all UFA and should not take the same level of value to acquire as some other goalies.

I would be happy with Elliott if he was available. I've always liked him and had him on my fantasy teams the past two years.

[The Yen Man]

Flames sign Backstrom and he backstops the Flames to a cup. Can you imagine how weird that would be considering the rivalry he had with Kipper all those years?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I think Reimer is around as good as Ramo. If it is one thing we see him do, is have a really good stretch followed up with terrible games. He has been wildly inconsistent from what I have seen.

If he comes cheap, sure. I am ok with the Flames signing a cheap goalie off the UFA heap and hope for the best. It would be nauseating to me to give him a big contract, especially with term attached.

If they are trading for a goalie, then they better trade for a good one. If they can't find a significant upgrade on what is available on the UFA front, then please don't spend any assets. If there is a significant upgrade, I don't mind the Flames giving up significant (for a goalie) assets. Obviously no first round pick, but I would go as high as two 2nd round picks, or a 2nd round pick + B prospect. I just don't think goalies get traded for much, unless they are at the very top tier.

Will be interesting to see who ends up landing here. I can't even begin to guess. The only goalie that I know the Flames have been rumored in being interested in is Murray (excluding the last draft, as those they were interested in I would assume would be sticking with their new teams), but I am sure they have kicked a few tires around the league. UFA signing? Older stop-gap? Up can coming younger goalie through trade? Significant asset expenditure on a top-tier goalie?

Will be an interesting year to spend significant assets on a goalie. With the reduction of equipment size on goalies, I would suspect that some goalies trend a bit down relative to other goalies. Bishop is definitely one of the league's better goalies, but perhaps the 'shot-blocker' will have a bit less effective moving forward?

Bishop scares me on the Flames for one reason. Take a look at Tampa's defencemen. What do you notice? They have some HUGE guys there. Hedman 6'6", Sustr 6'7", Coburn 6'5"... One thing I have personally noted (and I admit confirmation bias may be playing into this) is that shot blockers work better with a defence core that has a lot of size and can box guys out better and get at those loose pucks. Smaller defences seem to work better with a goalie that is more of a catcher, with more limited rebounds.

Unfortunately in the last 2 seasons, the Flames have had 2 fairly inconsistent goalies in Ramo and Hiller to test that hypothesis out to a reasonable extent for me. Ramo hasn't swallowed up enough rebounds as one would like from a catcher, which makes it even more difficult to really get a handle on it.

My preference in looking at the Flames - both in the lineup right now, and organizationally down the pipeline - is to do their best in getting a solid catching style goalie of the Finnish school of thought. More emphasis on swallowing-up the puck, and controlling the rebounds when there are. I think Bishop is a very dependable goalie, and he is essentially the league's best shot blocker and would be an absolute instant upgrade for the team, but will his numbers remain anywhere near his career average with smaller defencemen trying to get at those loose pucks and boxing guys out? It is at least a point of concern - or at least, something to think about anyways.

If Hamilton was a bit sturdier and more physical, and played on the top pairing, while Engelland was a bit more dependable as a 2nd pairing defencemen, and Kanzig was developed and dependable on the third pairing, I would be all over Bishop. As it stands now, I really do think the Flames need to focus on getting the best catcher available, especially with guys like Andersson and Kylington coming up through the organization.

This is an interesting post, you could be onto something. Never really thought of this before.

Re: the bolded above, Ortio?

[Clever_Iggy]

Thoughts on acquiring Kuemper?

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Thoughts on acquiring Kuemper?

not sure if would be any upgrade on what we are working with right now

[AcGold]

1) invite Hiller and Ortio to a practice in northern Saskatchewan, leave them there.

2) send our scouts to stalk Bishop and Yzerman, blackmail both of them

3) Win

[Inferno]

Please no Ramo next year. That ship has sailed.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by heep223

This is an interesting post, you could be onto something. Never really thought of this before.

Re: the bolded above, Ortio?

Well, as much crap as Ortio gets on this board, only one thing is clear thus far - he is not ready to be a starter. Will he ever be? Only time will tell, and I do think he is worth retaining, but he won't be the answer for next season at least, if he is the answer at all. I do think of him as the 'right type', just not presently at 'the right calibre' (at least for now).

[Harry Lime]

Whatever happens, the one thing to avoid is a commitment of three years or more. This eliminates most of the UFAs in my mind. So, either the type of goalie that is stuck behind a dedicated starter, or a veteran that has something to prove.

Micheal Hutchinson
Steve Mason
Brian Elliott
Scott Darling

That sort of folk. I'm sure that a three year contract, that last year will be an anchor, considering who is available.

[Brick]

Interesting articles:

http://www.flamesfrom80feet.ca/2016/...an-part-1.html

http://www.flamesfrom80feet.ca/2016/...an-part-2.html

[albertGQ]

I'm a big Ramo fan, but we can't go into the off season with him as our #1 option especially since he won't be ready until October. He can be a plan B.

I like Murray but his numbers aren't much better than Jarry in the AHL.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Brick

Interesting articles:

http://www.flamesfrom80feet.ca/2016/...an-part-1.html

http://www.flamesfrom80feet.ca/2016/...an-part-2.html

Haynes thinks Ortio is done with the Flames after this season. Interesting.

[StrykerSteve]

Re-sign Ortio. Trade for another young goalie. Let them fight it out at camp.

That would be my guess. I don't see them going the UFA route.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by heep223

Haynes thinks Ortio is done with the Flames after this season. Interesting.

That's what I have heard as well.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by heep223

Haynes thinks Ortio is done with the Flames after this season. Interesting.

It is pretty difficult to argue with his reasons for thinking so, although it seems that since this article was written, Ortio has indeed been the go-to option for the Flames.

I could see both Poulin and Ortio re-signed to compete for a back-up role in either Calgary or Stockton. My hope would be that one of the several young AHL/NHL goalies (Murray, Andersen, Kuemper, etc.) who could be on the market is either signed or acquired. I am not convinced that Ramo will get a contract given his injury timeline, and that is really unfortunate. He will probably end up signing a PTO or an AHL deal next year to work his way back up to the NHL.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's what I have heard as well.

From where have you heard this?