2016 World Cup of Hockey

[topfiverecords]

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[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I have no issue with the whole money grab or marketing engine running this tournament, but I will admit the creation of this NA under 23 team has really doused my interest in this.

But I also know that it's because of what interests me in an event like this, which is 100% wanting to cheer for my country to beat other countries. I couldn't care less about a high level of play, I get my hockey fix enough during the NHL season, and to be honest I can't see this format driving the national pride that I think will be required to spark great play in the offseason, but maybe I'll be proved wrong.

I have no issue with the Euro team, gets kind of dumb at this level with the some of the bottom feeder Euro teams taking up a spot, but this NA team totally messed with what I value in a tourney like this. Now I kind of like the NA team cause of Johnny and Mony, and also if Canada beats the US I'll wonder if we beat the best US team, or if we lose if we would have won with our young guys. Makes me annoyed.

I do understand though how someone less motivated by the nationalistic element might be really pumped.

[powderjunkie]

I thought maybe the J.T. Miller pick might have been to achieve equal balance between US and Canada, but it turns out there are 9 Americans to 7 Canadians so far (not that I don't think JT is worthy, just a name I wasn't very familiar with).

It's a shame that Team USA didn't get first dibs on the young guys, as they'd have have a much better shot in the tourney with JG, Saad, and possibly Larkin, Eichel and/or Couturier. It does seem USA may be trying to build a more traditional 4 line team again as it is, but Saad would have helped with that, and Johnny would be their second biggest gamebreaker after Kane.

The other argument I've heard is that we may be robbing ourselves of a Gretzky-Lemieux kind of moment, but we hopefully we get a chance to vomit at the over-hype of McDavid to Crosby at the next Olympics.

I think Eichel might be the only RH forward on the team? Might give an edge to Scheifele, Strome or Reinhart to make it. So many centres too; can't imagine any benefit in taking RNH over someone like Domi. I think you gotta keep JG and Money together in a short tourney. Do Eichel and Reinhart play together much? Saad and Jenner? Domi and Duclair?

Saad-Mackinnon-McDavid
Gaudreau-Monahan-Eichel
Bennett-Couturier-Larkin
Galchenyuk-JT Miller-Scheifele
Domi, Jenner

Rielly-Ekblad
Trouba-Hamilton
Murray-Jones
Hanifin

Exact opposite problem on D (which may play into Hanifin's favour), as nearly everyone but Murray and Rielly is RH.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Team NA and Europe logos aren't the best. Canada would have been better served with a more traditional leaf. Otherwise these are amazing jerseys. Very excited to see what adidas can do with NHL versions. Clean, sharp classic looking designs. Finally got away from the awkward shapes, vertical piping and tacky "modern" looks reebok always went for.

I'm not excited for the tourney a whole bunch but that NA team could be fun with all the youth.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Team NA and Europe logos aren't the best. Canada would have been better served with a more traditional leaf. Otherwise these are amazing jerseys. Very excited to see what adidas can do with NHL versions. Clean, sharp classic looking designs. Finally got away from the awkward shapes, vertical piping and tacky "modern" looks reebok always went for.

I'm not excited for the tourney a whole bunch but that NA team could be fun with all the youth.

Spoiler!

They don't look very classic to me at all. Just a different type of "modern" and even more tacky than Reebok in the case of the U23 jersey especially. All eight of them have vertical striping under the arms as well.

Really hope the NHL jerseys don't go in this direction. Russia's looks pretty good. The rest range from meh to Flames thirds.

[Caged Great]

Am I the only one that really likes all of the jerseys, especially Team Canada's?

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Am I the only one that really likes all of the jerseys, especially Team Canada's?

I also love them. Really excited about that team Canada jersey, it may even finally force me to get one.

That North America Jersey also looks great. Also like Sweden's/Europe's.

[Flames89]

Yah, put me down as also really liking them. Almost feel sheepish about my reaction.
Well, except the Europe ones. Those are pretty bland. They somehow make me think of red shirts on Star Trek.
Getting a Gaudreau in black may be necessary for kicking around the house. Will be interested in what the material is like.
A Brodie in Canada red would also be interesting.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Am I the only one that really likes all of the jerseys, especially Team Canada's?

I like the team Canada jersey a lot.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by sun

Spoiler!

They don't look very classic to me at all. Just a different type of "modern" and even more tacky than Reebok in the case of the U23 jersey especially. All eight of them have vertical striping under the arms as well.

Really hope the NHL jerseys don't go in this direction. Russia's looks pretty good. The rest range from meh to Flames thirds.

Umm that's not vertical piping. That's the standard adidas three stripes that appear on pretty much everything they've ever made.

And they are classic because they use simple designs without weird design and shapes. With the exception of the Czech jersey which is meant to mimic their flag, none of the jerseys have the hallmark odd shapes that reebok is known for.

[getbak]

I wonder if the reason they didn't use the Hockey Canada, USA Hockey, or any of the other national federations' logos, is because Nike has the IIHF contract and those are IIHF logos?

For the 2004 World Cup, the teams all pretty much used the same jerseys from the 2002 Olympics, which were made by Nike, so there wouldn't have been a problem using the IIHF logos.



It could also be the NHL not wanting to have to share any merchandise revenue with the national federations who own the logos.

[burn_this_city]

Team Canada logo looks like something the Raptors would unveil.

[puffnstuff]

Well I am shocked that the makers/designers of these jerseys could not come up with something that everyone likes for every team.

[PepsiFree]

My only complaints would be that the logos for NA and EUR don't look very well thought out. Super basic and boring, while the Canada logo looks kind of... dinky.

Otherwise, (and even those three jerseys) I think everything looks great. Really classic, simple, bold. Great jersey designs.

If this is a hint towards new NHL jersey designs? Sign me up.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by AC

Who do you disagree with?

Duncan Keith is 32, Jeff Carter is 31, Weber/Bergeron/Getzlaf are 30.

Carter is the only one I'm ambivalent towards but hard to argue with his stats and success.

Carter for sure. The world won't end if you leave Getzlaf, Weber and Carter at home ffs. Too many legacy picks. Think of how several of these guys were just godawful or mailing it in for the first 30 games, specifically Crosby and Getzlaf. The wear and tear on their bodies, age, and what they've all accomplished, expecting them to be anything but preseason half-ass in September is risky.

Although the Americans just made plain stupid choices in comparison. Where's Tyler Johnson, Kessel? Oh right, their GM: "We don't want the best players, we want the right ones." Burke said the same about the US team in 2014. "We picked a toolbox team." 4th place. USA Hockey is pretty thick-headed to reuse the same approach.

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Bold statement, care to put some money behind it? I'm sure many here would bet against you that "Team Canada is going to be smoked". Does your wallet actually believe that statement? Somehow I doubt it.

That would be fun. I'll put $100 down

[Coach]

Johnson and Kessel will no doubt be on the final roster.

Getzlaf and Carter I'll give you, the could probably be replaced by younger options. Weber should absolutely be there.

[Geeoff]

Kinda sucks for Team USA that they can't have Johnny, since he'd be their #2 offensive player.

I'll be cheering for the u23s over Canada I think.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Umm that's not vertical piping. That's the standard adidas three stripes that appear on pretty much everything they've ever made.

And they are classic because they use simple designs without weird design and shapes. With the exception of the Czech jersey which is meant to mimic their flag, none of the jerseys have the hallmark odd shapes that reebok is known for.

What's with the um, dude? No need to be patronizing - we disagree. I never said it was piping, I said it was striping while I was typing my griping. Vertical elements under the arms, like Reebok.

You say "classic", to me that means either "timeless" (opinion) or "looks like jerseys from the good old days" (doesn't). If you think "classic" means simple designs, all the power to you (though, I would disagree with them being simple too), but maybe define it first.

Without weird design shapes? Half of them have weird design shapes - puck and stick shaped like an E (this one's not bad), non-traditional leaf with interior element, leaves on the sleeves, odd baseball/Third Reich logo, with black, orange, and grey, with outlined "C", with what looks like heather grey stripes, stripes under the arms?

I'm wondering if we're possibly looking at different pictures? Are the away jerseys simpler and classicer?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by saillias

Carter for sure. The world won't end if you leave Getzlaf, Weber and Carter at home ffs. Too many legacy picks. Think of how several of these guys were just godawful or mailing it in for the first 30 games, specifically Crosby and Getzlaf. The wear and tear on their bodies, age, and what they've all accomplished, expecting them to be anything but preseason half-ass in September is risky.

Although the Americans just made plain stupid choices in comparison. Where's Tyler Johnson, Kessel? Oh right, their GM: "We don't want the best players, we want the right ones." Burke said the same about the US team in 2014. "We picked a toolbox team." 4th place. USA Hockey is pretty thick-headed to reuse the same approach.



That would be fun. I'll put $100 down

Can I get in on that action? What constitutes "smoked"? Losing by 3 or more goals in each game?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by sun

What's with the um, dude? No need to be patronizing - we disagree. I never said it was piping, I said it was striping while I was typing my griping. Vertical elements under the arms, like Reebok.

You say "classic", to me that means either "timeless" (opinion) or "looks like jerseys from the good old days" (doesn't). If you think "classic" means simple designs, all the power to you (though, I would disagree with them being simple too), but maybe define it first.

Without weird design shapes? Half of them have weird design shapes - puck and stick shaped like an E (this one's not bad), non-traditional leaf with interior element, leaves on the sleeves, odd baseball/Third Reich logo, with black, orange, and grey, with outlined "C", with what looks like heather grey stripes, stripes under the arms?

I'm wondering if we're possibly looking at different pictures? Are the away jerseys simpler and classicer?

I get that some people are very passionate about jersey designs and you obviously hate these and that's fine. Perhaps we are talking about different things. I said piping you said striping. Totally different and unrelated IMO. I said I was glad the piping was gone and you quoted me saying they have striping. I mentioned that they are different things. I'm not being patronizing I was just trying to politely correct you since you seemed to infer that I was saying that piping = striping.

I would say that you pretty much only talk about the logos in your complaints. That is a bit different. I'm looking at the actual jersey, not so much the logos, which I agree leave something to be desired.

Here is what I'm talking about:

Awful trapezoid shapes, or whatever the hell those are on the sleeves of the home and away, on this Sens jersey:

Spoiler!

Awful vertical piping on Avs jersey:

Spoiler!

this showcases ugly colors (pee gold instead of yellow), weird shapes on arm, weird shapes on pants:

Spoiler!

Then of course the Flames. Perhaps the worst offenders. Weird shapes under the arms, bad vertical piping, nonsensical vertical stripes under arms that don't extend far enough and clash with the vertical stripes on pants. :



BTW here is the icethetics article where I took most of the bad jersey pics from. Their solutions are pretty good. Lots of classic features. Classic colours, horizontal stripes on arms and bottom of jersey, no funny shapes (that Coyotes jersey has funny shapes but in the context of the aztec looking stripes).

http://www.icethetics.co/blog/2014/1...d-new-uniforms