I like Jakub Nakladal

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Why? Is he your fav player?

Nah, Kevin is now. Still like him a lot.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Pump the breaks guys. He has 10 NHL games under his belt. 3 year contract? 2m per???

By no means am I saying he is bad but lets assess at the end of the year.

He's also been very steady and by far the best defenseman in Stockton.

[saillias]

I get the impression this is going to end up like Schlemko last year. We will want to sign him and he will want to sign with us but we have too much money and roster spots in other (worse) defenseman to keep him

[IgiTang]

The Flames had to see what Smid had left and had to give him an opportunity to get back up to game speed. I think he played admirably all things considered. What, did we expect a Gary Roberts type return. Roberts is not human.

3 years maybe 1 too many. But I cannot see the guy taking a 1 year deal. This is his chance, he doesn't have time on his side like the kids.

He's played well and shown he can keep up with the pace of the north American game. That was the only question mark on this guy.

It's not like his playing in Europe equates to deserving less money than similar players in the NHL.

You have to look at his full body of pro-work and then consider how well he has translated that to the NHL in such a short period of time.

I think him only playing 10 games and has already adjusted this quickly, gives insight to his hockey knowledge, ability and character.

I think on the open market, that's the kind of deal he's looking at.

$1.5 -$2m per year, 2-3 years. Essentially a bridge deal.

[Southside]

The Gaudreau and Monahan deals and our goaltending likely need to be addressed before we can commit to Nakladal, especially if we're looking at $2 million. That is assuming someone like Smid or Wideman can't be moved.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Southside

The Gaudreau and Monahan deals and our goaltending likely need to be addressed before we can commit to Nakladal, especially if we're looking at $2 million. That is assuming someone like Smid or Wideman can't be moved.

Listen, I am completely guessing at this point. I havnt even looked at comparables in his type of situation.

If I had to hazard a guess, from his standpoint, that's what he would be looking for.

By no means, am I a credible source when it comes to contracts.

[Imported_Aussie]

Nakladal won't get 2M per. He is in his late 20s, so there is not a ton of upside - best case scenario is a good #5, worst case is #7/AHL/leave for Europe.

I agree with some posters that he may ask for more than 1 year, but if I am Treliving I offer him low, let him test UFA, and if he does go, it is not like this team is devoid of depth.

not saying I want him to go, but he is not the kind of player you pony up term and money for.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Enoch nailed it earlier, it's in that one million range IMO, two years. Nakladal is at $817,500 now but on a two-way deal. Would like to see the Flames offer that for two years, one way and doubt it's much negotiations after.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Hey guys we have depth in case of injuries. After Brodie came back we miraculously didn't have any injuries on the defense. That is abnormal and rare. Usually we would have seen him already due to injury. I don't think we need to lament that we were healthy until the Wideman suspension.

[PeteMoss]

He seems fine, but lets not go crazy.

[Imported_Aussie]

I think a good deal is 2 years, 1.8M total, one way.
he is guaranteed 900K a year on NHL or AHL roster, does not impact the cap if demoted, gets a second year for security. if he wants one year, then 900K one way and pay him more if he earns it

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

He's also been very steady and by far the best defenseman in Stockton.

Yes.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Yes.

So he's done everything he can to prove himself in Stockton, and has done everything he can to prove himself during his brief NHL stint..

That's almost a full year of body work not to mention his impressive play in Europe allowing him to sign in North America in the first place.

He's 28 years old and it's pretty evident what his skill level is. This isn't some unproven prospect.

And this isn't ogling over a player just because he scored one nice goal. He's looked like an NHLer since game 1. Really has been a seamless transition and that's a very promising sign.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

IMO, that's too much money AND too much term, based on a couple of dozen games.

One or two years, about a $1M per is plenty.

Whole body of work needs to be considered, its not just 10 games. Its not like he started playing hockey 10 games ago.

Originally Posted by polak

Someone else will sign him if we don't. Give him just under 2 a year for 2 years and lets see what he does.

That way if this is just a blip we can send him down and it doesn't even hurt.

My thoughts also.

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Pump the breaks guys. He has 10 NHL games under his belt. 3 year contract? 2m per???

By no means am I saying he is bad but lets assess at the end of the year.

Agreed to assess at years end, but again, consider his entire body of work.

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

He's also been very steady and by far the best defenseman in Stockton.

Indeed.

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

Nakladal won't get 2M per. He is in his late 20s, so there is not a ton of upside - best case scenario is a good #5, worst case is #7/AHL/leave for Europe.

I agree with some posters that he may ask for more than 1 year, but if I am Treliving I offer him low, let him test UFA, and if he does go, it is not like this team is devoid of depth.

not saying I want him to go, but he is not the kind of player you pony up term and money for.

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

He seems fine, but lets not go crazy.

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

I think a good deal is 2 years, 1.8M total, one way.
he is guaranteed 900K a year on NHL or AHL roster, does not impact the cap if demoted, gets a second year for security. if he wants one year, then 900K one way and pay him more if he earns it

Alright, so i poked around and this is what I came up with after going team to team upto Montreal.

Players who signed their post ELC and year, production and age.

Ana- Stoner, 30yo, 69 games, 10 pts in 2013 - 3.25M
Arz- Grossman, 30 yo, 78 games, 14 pts 2014 - 3.5M
Bos- McQuaid, 28 yo, 67 games, 15 pts in 2011 (best offensive season) signed in 2015 for 3M, aav 2.75

Chi- Hjalmarsson - 27yo, 4g, 22a- 26pts (best year, 2014), 4.1M
Col- Holden - 28yo, 54gp, 25 pts 2014, 1.65 aav/3 years
Fla- Kindl- 28yo, 66gp, 19pts 2014 aav 2.4M
LA- Martinez- 27yo, 56gp, 22pts 2015 4m/6years
Min-Scandella- 25 yo, 64gp, 23pts 2015 4M/5 years

Best example -

Mon- Emelin - 29yo
2012 - came into league @ .984M 1 yr deal, 7 pts 67 games.
2013-2014, 2 yr @ 2M per,2013,38pg, 12 pts, 2014 59gp 17pts
2015 signed new deal @ 4.1M/4years
2015- 68gp, 14 pts
2016- 53gp, 7 pts

That 2013 year he was the same age Naks is now.

with this, I feel there is a benchmark set for this type of player and contract and it sits around $2M/ 2-3 years.

[Hack&Lube]

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[nik-]

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Whole body of work needs to be considered, its not just 10 games. Its not like he started playing hockey 10 games ago.

Best example -

Mon- Emelin - 29yo
2012 - came into league @ .984M 1 yr deal, 7 pts 67 games.
2013-2014, 2 yr @ 2M per,2013,38pg, 12 pts, 2014 59gp 17pts
2015 signed new deal @ 4.1M/4years
2015- 68gp, 14 pts
2016- 53gp, 7 pts

That 2013 year he was the same age Naks is now.

with this, I feel there is a benchmark set for this type of player and contract and it sits around $2M/ 2-3 years.

Quoted just your best example to keep the post shorter, but with reference to this and all of your comparable players, Nakladal will not have anywhere near the number of games in this year. Best case scenario - playing every game from now on - he doesn't even get half way to these comparable players. And that best case is far from certain as once Wideman is back, someone needs to sit.

With your reasoning, maybe he needs that further 1 year deal to get enough of a sample of games to be considered alongside these players?

[GoFlamesGo89]

I'm convinced-- who brought this guy with actual research and factual statements into this thread?

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Whole body of work needs to be considered, its not just 10 games. Its not like he started playing hockey 10 games ago.


Best example -

Mon- Emelin - 29yo
2012 - came into league @ .984M 1 yr deal, 7 pts 67 games.
2013-2014, 2 yr @ 2M per,2013,38pg, 12 pts, 2014 59gp 17pts
2015 signed new deal @ 4.1M/4years
2015- 68gp, 14 pts
2016- 53gp, 7 pts

That 2013 year he was the same age Naks is now.

with this, I feel there is a benchmark set for this type of player and contract and it sits around $2M/ 2-3 years.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah I would be fine with a 2 year contract at $1.5M per year.

If he continues to impress great then he is a bargain, if he gets sent down then it's only $600k against the cap hit - not a big deal.

[Kiran403]

Originally Posted by nik-

aka the dynamic duo known as KnucklePuck?