[PGT] Senators score 4 unanswered goals. Flames lose 6-4.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by AC

Here's Galaxy91122's capture of the JFC and possibly the cause of Johnny's outrage:
https://gfycat.com/UltimateEnviousEasternnewt

Wait till mama Gaudreau see this, no summer vacation for Johnny this year.

[Mony]

This game still has me mad. Less now that it's morning but still mad. Phaneuf was an ###wipe as per usual, and the Sens with their comeback antics annoying as hell. Hate being on the receiving end of that, was funner last year dishing it out. Why do we have to give so many players their 1st career hat tricks? At least the kids did well but this game makes it so apparent we are just not ready.

Also, #### the Sens fans in our barn - since when are there so many?? But in particular #### the Sens fan with his little group that threw the jersey. Absolutely classless ####hole. Enjoy 9th place in the standings, Flames fans know what that is like.

Rant done. Phew that's a bit better.

[calgaryblood]

I can't seem to remember which game it was but wasn't there a goal waved off last week because of contact behind the net? If goalies out of their crease are fair game why was that goal called off and not the one last night?

[blender]

I'm not sure that the goal should have been called off--Ortio was well out of his crease--but the league is going to get a black eye when the inconsistencies rear up in the playoffs. Picture this call being muffed in game 7 of a conference final.

Bush league is pretty bush

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by AC

Those numbers also suggest Colborne is indeed quite good value and not someone we should be giving up 'just because' at this stage. He's a solid 3rd liner and it would be difficult to replace his production at his pricetag.

Except he has played the 6th most minutes among forwards, with top 5 minutes on the PP. So you can't really call him a 3rd liner this year.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Except he has played the 6th most minutes among forwards, with top 5 minutes on the PP. So you can't really call him a 3rd liner this year.

Just because Hartley likes to feed him prime minutes for some reason doesn't make him a top 6 forward.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

The problem is, there is no guarantee that worse now = better later

Well they are bad now and the only way to get better is by bolstering your talent. Finishing low enough to draft Monahan and Bennett certainly equals better later and I'm willing to bet nabbing Matthews or one of those two Finnish wingers will also greatly help. Last nights game is over and means nothing in the big picture.

[Stud_McCool]

With all due respect to Monahan, it will be awesome to see Bennett as Johnny's center man. He at least will shelter Johnny a little when liberties are taken.

[Demzy84]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Just because Hartley likes to feed him prime minutes for some reason doesn't make him a top 6 forward.

Exactly, to me this screams the Flames need a better top 6 to allow Colborne to play a bottom 6 role, which is what he is best suited for.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Can't blame Ortio for many, if any, of those goals last night. I thought he played an incredible game and gave the Flames a chance to win.

The soy milk latte extra foamy defensive coverage was to blame for that comeback. That was embarrassing.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Can't blame Ortio for many, if any, of those goals last night. I thought he played an incredible game and gave the Flames a chance to win.

The soy milk latte extra foamy defensive coverage was to blame for that comeback. That was embarrassing.

They were identical to every top shelf goal people were all over Hiller for.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Demzy84

Exactly, to me this screams the Flames need a better top 6 to allow Colborne to play a bottom 6 role, which is what he is best suited for.

Yep. Don't dump Colborne because he's not good enough for a top 6 role he gets forced into sometimes, add more top 6 talent so Colborne can drop into the 3rd line role he excels at.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by AC

Yep. Don't dump Colborne because he's not good enough for a top 6 role he gets forced into sometimes, add more top 6 talent so Colborne can drop into the 3rd line role he excels at.

But would Colborne get anywhere near 35 points without top 6 time or PP time? If he is just a 20 point bottom 6 player who cannot hold the puck or play defense effectively... not so useful.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I am with you on the Matthews points part. I just cannot cheer for the Flames to lose so they will get a chance to win the Austin Matthews sweepstakes.

We are lacking a secondary scoring in this team. We cannot rely on Monahan and Gaudreau to score all the time or rely on defensemen like Brody, Gio or Hamilton to do the scoring. Not happy with Jones and even Ferland who's getting the minutes and not producing. I feel for Bennett having to play with wingers who cannot produce or even help him scores.

Am I only one who is concerned about the lack of skill, just seems if we don't find the right Hudler replacement we may be struggling for awhile. As for Bennett I really hope we find guys that can match his high end skill rather than having a line that looks more like a bunch of pluggers. I guess ill just have to be patient and trust the Flames on this one.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

They were identical to every top shelf goal people were all over Hiller for.

The one goal I believe you're referring to (Zibanejed's first) was a perfect shot and Ortio had lost his stick. He was trying to play the percentages and cover the bottom half of the net.

The majority of the top shelf goals Hiller allows are beach balls sent from the point but in typical Hiller fashion he's on his knees the entire time the puck is in the Flames zone and he's already looking behind him as the puck goes by.

At least Ortio makes an effort to find the puck by looking around guys or through their legs and battles to make a save. I'd take that every day as opposed to Hiller who has next to no compete level. It's just drop to your knees and hope for the best.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

They were identical to every top shelf goal people were all over Hiller for.

On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being zero chance and 1 being the Hiller Special, I would rank them:

Goal 1) 10 that goes in on a totally dialed in Dominic Hasek

Goal 2) 6 Bang-bang-play from behind the goal line. You'd like to see that one hit the goalie but you'd prefer never to see that kind of play in a game.

Goal 3) 4 Gio decides to knock Ortio's stick out of his hand and then there's no one within 15 feet of Zibanejad giving him more time and space to pick a corner than guys get in practice. If Ortio stands up without a stick that goes right through Ortio's five-hole. He was left in no man's land however if Ortio was 6'7" that would have hit him, which apparently is the dream goal-tending people are pining for.

Goal 4) 10 awful defensive "system" caused it to bounce straight to Zibanejad who has no one within 15 feet of him. And Brodie doesn't even see the shooter until the puck's already off his stick.

Goal 5) 8 exact same play as Goal 2, except this time it's like 8 feet away from the net.

So uh, yeah. Let's not compare that to Jonas Hiller. If Ortio had his stick on goal 3 and goal 3 was from much further out we could compare that to Jonas Hiller.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being zero chance and 1 being the Hiller Special, I would rank them:

Goal 1) 10 that goes in on a totally dialed in Dominic Hasek

Goal 2) 6 Bang-bang-play from behind the goal line. You'd like to see that one hit the goalie but you'd prefer never to see that kind of play in a game.

Goal 3) 4 Gio decides to knock Ortio's stick out of his hand and then there's no one within 15 feet of Zibanejad giving him more time and space to pick a corner than guys get in practice. If Ortio stands up without a stick that goes right through Ortio's five-hole. He was left in no man's land however if Ortio was 6'7" that would have hit him.

Goal 4) 10 awful defensive "system" caused it to bounce straight to Zibanejad who has no one within 15 feet of him. And Brodie doesn't even see the shooter until the puck's already off his stick.

Goal 5) 8 exact same play as Goal 2, except this time it's like 8 feet away from the net.

So uh, yeah. Let's not compare that to Jonas Hiller. If Ortio had his stick on goal 3 and goal 3 was from further out we could compare that to Jonas Hiller.

Don't agree with your assessment of goal 4 at all. First, he loses his position, putting himself outside the paint. As a result of that, he hits Ryan, who knocks him out of position and gives Zibanejad a wide open net to hit. Yes, the defence wasn't good, but the only reason he had zero chance was because he lost his position, got contacted and got knocked further out of position. If that was Hiller, he'd be getting crucified. That was an avoidable error by Ortio and a costly one too. Don't see how he avoids any blame for that, he has to take a fair share.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Don't agree with your assessment of goal 4 at all. First, he loses his position, putting himself outside the paint. As a result of that, he hits Ryan, who knocks him out of position and gives Zibanejad a wide open net to hit. Yes, the defence wasn't good, but the only reason he had zero chance was because he lost his position, got contacted and got knocked further out of position. If that was Hiller, he'd be getting crucified. That was an avoidable error by Ortio and a costly one too. Don't see how he avoids any blame for that, he has to take a fair share.

Actually he was in position to make the save. Unfortunately, the point shot was blocked and directed straight onto Zibanejad's stick. He definitely did not hit Ryan, he was raising his arm to protect himself as the collision was inevitable. I don't see how any blame should be parked on him for that goal.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Don't agree with your assessment of goal 4 at all. First, he loses his position

He's trying to make a save on a point shot. His positioning is exactly where it should be to make that save:



I see at least two, maybe three Flames in bad position on that freeze frame, but Ortio is not one of them. And I would say Gio isn't either. And I'm sure guys are close to where they're supposed to be technically. But that's just because the system sucks.

As a result of that, he hits Ryan

Him hitting Ryan was an accident, but doesn't stop him from making a save on the initial point shot, which is what he was trying to do, which is what I'd want every goalie in the universe to do. If the defense doesn't break down there's still enough time for Ortio to get into position even after hitting Ryan.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by AC

Yep. Don't dump Colborne because he's not good enough for a top 6 role he gets forced into sometimes, add more top 6 talent so Colborne can drop into the 3rd line role he excels at.

Colborne is basically the modern version of David Moss. Someone that can add some points if shoehorned into a top 6 role but isn't really good enough to be there. Mind you Colborne's not as good defensively as Moss was.