I like Senyshyn, JFK and Lauzon a lot (those were all the players picked with our picks) and I think eventually the trio may work out to have more value than Hamilton, but that's a big big big if and it's definitely not an if that I would have been willing to risk myself. Mind you if we had those picks, two of those picks would have been the similar (JFK and Kylington) while taking Kyle Connor instead the first. What a huge season he's having in the NCAA this year.
Would much rather have the 21 year old 6-5 D-man that's putting up 35ish+ points.
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An unlucky season has come to a disappointing end for Vancouver Giants captain Tyler Benson. Benson has had an injury-riddled season, right from day one.
After starting the season injured, Benson played just 30 games. He missed nearly two months with a lower body injury after a game on December 30th. That injury caused him to miss the Top Prospects Game at the Coliseum on January 28, for which he was supposed to be the poster boy.
He returned for two games this week, but now he’s injured yet again.
He’ll miss the remainder of the season.
“It’s very disappointing for all of us that Tyler has had to miss so much time this year,” said Giants majority owner Ron Toigo in a team released statement. “At the same time, we need to do what’s best for his long term health, and we know that he’s going to be an important player for our team going forward as well as a great addition to an NHL organization.”
This is Benson’s draft year, so it has to be extra disappointing for the 17-year-old centre. He put up good numbers, 9 goals and 19 assists, in limited action.
Benson was projected to be a first rounder, but we’ll see how this run of injuries affects his draft stock in June.
I like Senyshyn, JFK and Lauzon a lot (those were all the players picked with our picks) and I think eventually the trio may work out to have more value than Hamilton, but that's a big big big if and it's definitely not an if that I would have been willing to risk myself. Mind you if we had those picks, two of those picks would have been the similar (JFK and Kylington) while taking Kyle Connor instead the first. What a huge season he's having in the NCAA this year.
Would much rather have the 21 year old 6-5 D-man that's putting up 35ish+ points.
Ya Connor is putting up Larkin like numbers. Leads the NCAA in pts, 2nd in goals. looks like a steal.
Here's the tiers in the the race at the bottom of the standings as I see it today.
Ultimate loser tier: EDM, TOR
Secondary loser tier: CGY, WPG, BUF, ARI
Tertiary loser tier: VAN, CBJ
So for the Flames I see it as us jockeying with WPG, BUF and ARI. I think VAN and CBJ will be able to stay ahead of us. I don't think TOR or EDM can pass us.
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Here's the tiers in the the race at the bottom of the standings as I see it today.
Ultimate loser tier: EDM, TOR
Secondary loser tier: CGY, WPG, BUF, ARI
Tertiary loser tier: VAN, CBJ
So for the Flames I see it as us jockeying with WPG, BUF and ARI. I think VAN and CBJ will be able to stay ahead of us. I don't think TOR or EDM can pass us.
NHL Draft Rankings: The Next Ones February Edition - Top 60
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"This February Edition of the rankings highlights the Top 60 prospects for the 2016 NHL Draft. This event takes place June 24–25, 2016 at the First Niagara Center in Buffalo, New York. Each player has accompanying Prospect Profiler Notes.
Let’s get right to the latest rankings. TSN’s Bob McKenzie’s Mid-Season compilation rankings as well as NHL Central Scouting’s Midterm Rankings Combined are also included for convenience and comparative purposes."
Snapshot: The Top 5
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TN1 TSN NHL-CS Fantasy Name Ht WT Pos S Nat DOB Prospect Profiler Notes
1 1 1 1 Matthews, Auston 6'2 210 C L USA 17-Sep-97 Auston "Powers" is a franchise centre.
2 3 2 3 Puljujarvi, Jesse 6'4 203 RW R FIN 7-May-98 The Finnish Ultimate Weapon
3 2 3 2 Laine, Patrik 6'4 206 RW/LW R FIN 10-Apr-98 Gifted Finnish Finisher; high end sniper
4 4 4 8 Tkachuk, Matthew 6'1 195 LW L USA 11-Dec-97 Keith's son is a clone of his father.
5 8 10 11 Dubois, Pierre-Luc 6'3 202 LW/C L CAN 24-Jun-98 Desirable size, outstanding compete level, does whatever it takes to win.
The Top 30 with Prospect Profiler Notes highlighted in a table/spreadsheet that is downloadable.
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Chychrun sure seems to be falling in most rankings i have seen lately.
The rankings you are quoting are for Fantasy Hockey, not real life.
I haven't seen that at all. Considered the top d-man by the majority and considered a top 5 pick by most. I suppose he could anywhere in the 3-6 range, don't really see him falling any further than that at this point.
Playoffs are going to be big for the CHL kids though. If scouts love his work in the playoffs his top d-men spot will be cemented. If he doesn't step up then thats when he may start to fall a touch.
Sergachev and Chychrun are #3 and #4 in defensemen scoring in the OHL behind our very own Rasmus Anderssson. Juolevi is a fair ways behind them in terms of pure points.
If we aren't drafting a forward then Chychrun and Sergachev are the guys we'd be looking at IMO. More likely Chychrun than Sergachev given where we're likely to pick.
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Chychrun sure seems to be falling in most rankings i have seen lately.
Taking d that early is boom/bust. Much more comfortable taking f all things being equal. Apart from the ekblads, too many instances of taking a d and passing on f have bit teams in the ass. When you have d like weber going in the second, just reinforces the security of taking a f over d that early.
While a guy like Chychrun could address a defensive need quite nicely, I think a big scoring winger is a bit of a higher priority at this stage, and could make more of an impact on this team.
One of the Finns would of course be perfect, but we're more likely going to be picking from that second rung. I'm mostly basing my opinion of him from the prospects game, but I was really impressed with Dubois in that game. A big, offensively gifted, winger with a real competitive desire? Yes please.
Taking d that early is boom/bust. Much more comfortable taking f all things being equal. Apart from the ekblads, too many instances of taking a d and passing on f have bit teams in the ass. When you have d like weber going in the second, just reinforces the security of taking a f over d that early.
Pretty sure TB is happy with Hedman over Duchesne. Pretty sure PHX was pretty happy taking OEL over Kadri, Glennie and Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson don't you think? I'd rather have Trouba, Lindholm, Murray, Ceci over Yakupov. FLA isn't regretting taking Ekblad. Jones and Ristolainen aren't regrettable picks.
Go look at 2008 http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2008e.html
Kind of destroys the forward over d-man argument generalization doesn't it? You'd rather have Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo, Myers, Karlsson, Carlsson, Josi (2nd round), Scandella (2nd round), Voynov (2nd round) over almost every forward taken that year except Stamkos who went #1.
This defeseman riskier than forward or less valuable idea is overstated.
Chychrun is considered to be very close to Ekblad calibre if not right there with him. Better skater, not as good of a point shot. NHL ready. He'll go early, not that much risk with him IMO.
When evaluating F over D you also have to take into account what type of value that player would have when fully developed. Arguably top two defensemen are much more valuable in this league than most scoring wingers. Almost impossible to find those top two D, almost impossible to trade for. Therefore drafting one gets you a very valuable and hard to find asset. As valuable as big #1 centres, or big, #1 line power forwards.
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While a guy like Chychrun could address a defensive need quite nicely, I think a big scoring winger is a bit of a higher priority at this stage, and could make more of an impact on this team.
One of the Finns would of course be perfect, but we're more likely going to be picking from that second rung. I'm mostly basing my opinion of him from the prospects game, but I was really impressed with Dubois in that game. A big, offensively gifted, winger with a real competitive desire? Yes please.
if we draft chcyrun or a dman i would hope we would sign one of the ufa wingers (okposo,boedke etc.). Our lineup would look really good while plugging a big hole on defense (we have nothing after the top 3)
Taking d that early is boom/bust. Much more comfortable taking f all things being equal. Apart from the ekblads, too many instances of taking a d and passing on f have bit teams in the ass. When you have d like weber going in the second, just reinforces the security of taking a f over d that early.
I think recent history actually does not agree with that generalization. See my post above.
Pretty sure TB is happy with Hedman over Duchesne. Pretty sure PHX was pretty happy taking OEL over Kadri, Glennie and Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson don't you think? I'd rather have Trouba, Lindholm, Murray, Ceci over Yakupov. FLA isn't regretting taking Ekblad. Jones and Ristolainen aren't regrettable picks.
Go look at 2008 http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2008e.html
Kind of destroys the forward over d-man argument generalization doesn't it? You'd rather have Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo, Myers, Karlsson, Carlsson, Josi (2nd round), Scandella (2nd round), Voynov (2nd round) over almost every forward taken that year except Stamkos who went #1.
This defeseman riskier than forward or less valuable idea is overstated.
Chychrun is considered to be very close to Ekblad calibre if not right there with him. Better skater, not as good of a point shot. NHL ready. He'll go early, not that much risk with him IMO.
When evaluating F over D you also have to take into account what type of value that player would have when fully developed. Arguably top two defensemen are much more valuable in this league than most scoring wingers. Almost impossible to find those top two D, almost impossible to trade for.
Sure, lots of examples either way. You may get the next oel, you might get the next Luke schenn. Each draft is unique.
It seems in general that top six f are more certain to pan out than top pairing d. Granted that those d can turn into 3-4 guys, but when you are drafting high, best to pick the more sure fire prospect vs someone who has that higher ceiling but lower floor.
Taking d that early is boom/bust. Much more comfortable taking f all things being equal. Apart from the ekblads, too many instances of taking a d and passing on f have bit teams in the ass. When you have d like weber going in the second, just reinforces the security of taking a f over d that early.
How does Chycrun compare to Ekblad, during his draft season?
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