[Trade] Hudler traded to Florida for 2016 2nd + 2018 4th round picks

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Mike F

As for the remainder of your post, I'm not assuming the Flames are done and writing the team off for next year, but this thread is about current reactions, and I'm not wholly satisfied with the organization as it stands at the time of this post.

Trade deadline is a time where we are going to divest some UFA's for picks prospects. It's not going to be satisfying to see good players go for nothing immediate unless you're a huge fan of picks/prospects. But it is an important step for a team that is going to miss the playoffs. We are adding assets that may be used in trades later. Hard to judge our team for next year until we see more of the offseason.

[Ashasx]

Flames getting a lot of flack for this trade and I don't really understand it.

To me, this is almost exactly fair value for Hudler. He's not the type of rental that nets you a first round pick. Outside of one season, he's been a 50 point player for his entire career.

Sometimes the NHL is very weird in terms of player value. I have little doubt Russell will fetch more than this even though I consider him to be a far less valuable player.

Hudler is a little underrated, but this is his value, and I think Treliving did well here.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by cral12

Was hoping for slightly more, but sort of as expected.

(Guess ya reflect back to what Glencross got last yr and you hope for more)

This is my thoughts exactly.

[Yrebmi]

More accurate to say I was hoping for more rather than expecting

[Enoch Root]

Return was a lot closer to what Schultz got than what Ladd got.

Pretty sad

[Caged Great]

If the Flames walk away with a 1st, 2nd, 4th and a prospect for Russell and Hudler, that would be about right return wise from what I would have thought for those two. Not necessarily the players I would have expected getting which return.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

It's an awful return. But at least they get something, and more importantly didn't pay premium dollars to extend the player. Now to off Jones, Russell, Hiller, Wideman, Engelland, Smid, Bolling, Backlund, Frolik, Bouma, Cobourne, Giordano, Monahan....basically anyone who's not Gaudrea, Bennet, Brodie, or Hamilton.

I understand you typed this in a fit of rage, but at least try to get the players' names spelled right.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Mike F

And I just watched the Flames peddle off a legitimate top 6 scoring winger for a couple of picks without having ever reached out to him to see if he could be brought back on a deal to bridge the team to whatever comes next.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Is there somewhere this was stated?

This thread

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Return was a lot closer to what Schultz got than what Ladd got.

Pretty sad

3rd Vs. 2nd and a 4th

Forward Vs. Dman

32 Vs. early 20s

The pick Ladd got could very well be literally one pick before the 2nd round

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Return was a lot closer to what Schultz got than what Ladd got.

Pretty sad

Not sure why people compare Hudler to Ladd. Ladd was the premiere guy available along with Eriksson (if he's actually available.) Hudler was in a secondary lower tier IMO with his size and skating not being ideal for the tighter checking and more physical playoffs. This in addition to him being pretty crappy for the first half this year.

[calgarywinning]

Gonna miss him chirping at the other players, chirping at the refs and delivering Johnny Gaudreau pizza to make fun of his Pizza 73 gig.

Maybe he will sign with us next year at a good rate. Also, would be interesting to know if injuries were plaguing him this season. He's been outstanding on the first line the last couple weeks.

Thanks to Jiri and all the best.

[browna]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I really don't understand why there is such a large difference in return between a guy like Ladd and a guy like Hudler. They bring different things -- Ladd the physicallity and intangibles, Hudler the high-end skill -- but points wise they are about the same through most of their careers. And it's not like Hudler is without his intagibles as well. I was hoping for a 1st or a decent prospect in return for him to be honest.

Chicago had Ladd before and know exactly what he's bringing on and off the ice.

There's still some question as to how healthy Hudler is. Probably ok, but, given how terrible Hudler looked like around Christmas as far as fitness wise, its less certain if he can be up to his pace of a normal year, nevermind last season's anomaly, come the playoffs.

I think the Flames did ok here, given Hudler's first half of this season. I'm not 100% sure they should've done any deal, given the massive hole it leaves on a top line (and no second line to write home about), but with this path they've chosen, don't think you could ask for much more.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

3rd Vs. 2nd and a 4th

Forward Vs. Dman

32 Vs. early 20s

The pick Ladd got could very well be literally one pick before the 2nd round

And the pick Calgary got could literally be 1 pick before the 3rd

[AC]

Originally Posted by Mike F

This thread

Yeah, which is strange that Conroy said they tried:

"We were saying we'd like to try and sign Jiri, we weren't able to sign Jiri, it didn't work out, and now we had to make a move."

https://twitter.com/NHLFlames/status/703701359405568000

Maybe he's cryptically saying internally the management came to the decision they wouldn't be able to work Hudler into the team going forward after hearing the Hudler camp demands or something.

[Enoch Root]

[/B]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Not sure why people compare Hudler to Ladd. Ladd was the premiere guy available along with Eriksson (if he's actually available.) Hudler was in a secondary lower tier IMO with his size and skating not being ideal for the tighter checking and more physical playoffs.

I didn't. Read what I wrote

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

It's an awful return. But at least they get something, and more importantly didn't pay premium dollars to extend the player. Now to off Jones, Russell, Hiller, Wideman, Engelland, Smid, Bolling, Backlund, Frolik, Bouma, Cobourne, Giordano, Monahan....basically anyone who's not Gaudrea, Bennet, Brodie, or Hamilton.

Early candidate for worst post of the year

[The Yen Man]

Wasn't expecting a first, but was hoping the 4th could have been another second, so a bit less than what I was expecting. Good luck Huds! Will be cheering for the Panthers in the playoffs!

[Fighting Banana Slug]

It's a fair return in my opinion. Nothing to be upset about, that is for sure. A first seemed far-fetched. Maybe a second and a third? sure. But not enough of a difference to call it "crap" or "brutal".

[The Yen Man]

Yah, I would say more underwhelming than disappointing.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The pick Ladd got could very well be literally one pick before the 2nd round

If that's the case, Chicago kicks in a 3rd round pick as well.

Hudler returned what I had expected... Not what I had hoped.