[FT] Loubardias vs Steinberg

[northcrunk]

I get a hint of "LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE!" vibe with Lubo. Two words lubo "your no good"

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Kinda feel bad for Russell at this point. He's an honest guy playing the best he can and he is easily the biggest whipping boy on the team. He's not the best player obviously, but the amount of bandwidth that is dedicated to him on this site is staggering. Totally out of line with his contributions vs other players. Hopefully he moves on to a calmer market where he can fly under the radar a bit more.

[northcrunk]

"People like yourself"
"I'll take my cue from guys who have played their whole lives"

What a tool. Loubo can go F himself. Prick.

[northcrunk]

Has Loubo ever laced up skates? Didn't think so. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[united]

Originally Posted by JayP

The biggest issue I have with Loubo and these anti-stats rants is that they all claim "I know how these stats work" and then prove otherwise the rest of the time they talk.

That didn't take long (in this thread)

[Dion]

Some of the best hockey discussions are the ones that get heated.

[Jagger]

Ouch! I'm willing to bet that they are both incredibly embarrassed by that whole segment.

Not a shining moment for either of them, exposure and ratings notwithstanding.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Two words lubo "your no good"

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

One word: over your head

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by stone hands

One word: over your head

clearly, care to enlighten?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Dion

Some of the best hockey discussions are the ones that get heated.

Sure... but that wasn't one of them.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by ScorchyScorch

People have their bad days and moments. You're telling me you've never gotten upset while on a job, or said something from a personal place when a perceived line was crossed? You can't extrapolate momentary things to make absolute judgments of them as people, though. That's pretty unfair.

He's been a complete professional in every segment or clip I've heard of him to this point. He went there because Pat drove it there and wouldn't let go. It's been obvious forever what his stance on this stuff is and Pat very well knows. So Pat knew what he was doing by pushing his buttons on the subject but did it anyways. So really both sides contributed to it.

I'm not going to complain though cause I liked it.

What perceived line? It was a stats based hockey conversation. He's not paid to be irrationally protective of a player just because he's watched him for a long time.

If stats push Loubo's buttons, maybe he shouldn't work as a hockey analyst.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

If stats push Loubo's buttons, maybe he shouldn't work as a hockey analyst.

Lou loves numbers. Stats don't push his buttons. What pushes his buttons are guys that crunch a bunch of numbers and then pretend to be experts on every player in the league and their value on the ice. Rob Vollman of hockey abstract for example who I'd imagine doesn't have time to watch a lot of all these players he presents his "expert" opinion on during weekly segments on the Fan. Or guys like Kent Wilson who draw bizarre conclusions from stats that watching the players yourself don't support. What annoys Lou is people who don't take into account things that the stats don't show, leadership, character, effort level, etc. Scouts and GMs take those into consideration for sure. What annoys Lou is fans who look at a hero graph of a player on a team they never watch that then go and trash talk about that player as if they know that player's game inside and out.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

"People like yourself"
"I'll take my cue from guys who have played their whole lives"

What a tool. Loubo can go F himself. Prick.

Yeah that was pretty much the player response "have you even played the game" but coming from a broadcaster I really didn't like that comment

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

clearly, care to enlighten?

Loubo once said something like "one word: look out" and they rip him steady on the radio for it

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Lou loves numbers. Stats don't push his buttons. What pushes his buttons are guys that crunch a bunch of numbers and then pretend to be experts on every player in the league and their value on the ice. Rob Vollman of hockey abstract for example who I'd imagine doesn't have time to watch a lot of all these players he presents his "expert" opinion on during weekly segments on the Fan. Or guys like Kent Wilson who draw bizarre conclusions from stats that watching the players yourself don't support. What annoys Lou is people who don't take into account things that the stats don't show, leadership, character, effort level, etc. Scouts and GMs take those into consideration for sure. What annoys Lou is fans who look at a hero graph of a player on a team they never watch that then go and trash talk about that player as if they know that player's game inside and out.

There's a flip side to that however. Freedom from bias. If you're valuing those intangibles far ahead of tangibles then you're letting bias creep into a cold hard assessment. A team can have all the character in the world and still draft Sam Bennett.

Yes teams need intangibles but they should follow after tangibles. They should not replace intangibles.

[greentree]

Old married couple. Jeebus.

[calumniate]

I like how both of them went down these extreme lines without ever once discussing term, or cap hits. I want to see Russell back but sadly it's a business. Dying on the sword without talking contract terms is some kind of irrational

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

A team can have all the character in the world and still draft Sam Bennett.

Not sure what you mean there. Bennett has more intangibles than Draisaitl or Reinhart but also will have good stats in the future. What were you trying to get at exactly? Bennett is an intangible dream IMO. He's competitive, gritty, hard working, determined, physical, will lead on the ice with his play. A perfect blend of skill and intangibles.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Not sure what you mean there.

2013-14 Flames.
Finished 27th Place.
Lots of Character.
No Talent.