[FT] Loubardias vs Steinberg

[dieHARDflameZ]

LOL this reminds me of two kids fighting for the front seat in the car. It's hysterical.

[Nammer403]

It was a very entertaining lunch yesterday

[SofaProfessor]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Steinberg is more suited to a radio station in a Lloydminster type market.

No. He is the kind of guy that stimulates discussion which is what radio is all about. This entire segment doesn't happen if Steinberg doesn't press Loubardias a little on his love for Kris Russell.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Steinberg is more suited to a radio station in a Lloydminster type market.

Yup. I know the guy works hard and is very knowledgeable, but it's just not good radio. He rambles, makes the same point about 10 times and is still a very poor interviewer.

Since they ditched the national Hockey Central at noon and we now have our local version it's like 4 hours of the guy every day and he just can't carry a radio station. That was pretty much the end of my listening to 960 days.

Guys like Boomer and Pat should be side guys or late night guys imo, not cornerstones. It's a pretty constant reminder of what a small market we really are.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Wanting to argue but not really being able to convey his point without rambling like an emotionally unstable, stubborn kid who resorts to throwing a tantrum when not getting what they want.
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Give me a break Pete. You sounded like a child throwing a tantrum.

Agreed with this, and I suspect he's got aspergers/mild autism. He reminds me very much of a friend I had in elementary who was eventually diagnosed. Very hard to deal with, overly sensitive, etc.

[Dentoman]

15:00 "You'll know when I'm screaming at you" Loubo ..... I just had a flashback to 1986, I may need therapy now.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I believe Loubo was sick during the Cali road trip, wonder if he was feeling stilla touch under the weather and if that didn't contribute somehow.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yup. I know the guy works hard and is very knowledgeable, but it's just not good radio. He rambles, makes the same point about 10 times and is still a very poor interviewer.

Since they ditched the national Hockey Central at noon and we now have our local version it's like 4 hours of the guy every day and he just can't carry a radio station. That was pretty much the end of my listening to 960 days.

Guys like Boomer and Pat should be side guys or late night guys imo, not cornerstones. It's a pretty constant reminder of what a small market we really are.

Agreed - if I was Steinberg I would listen to Bob McGowan interviews all day long to learn how to conduct a good interview. Bob always manages to ask penetrating and interesting questions, and more importantly knows when to shut up when doing an interview as well.

[Bingo]

I like both guys
I see both arguments

but can't stand it when a guy pretty much ends a conversation with tactics like cutting someone off, or misquoting.

Lou dropped the ball on this one.

If I had to pick though I'm going with the advanced stats on this one because they can't or at least shouldn't lie. The Corsi relative with all other Flames players basically suggests that only Bollig did better with Russell than without. That's pretty telling.

So the only argument that can save Russell in this one is that the shot counter has a personal bias towards him, which I can't see.

He still gets a lot of credit for doing whatever it takes to prevent bad things from happening (blocked shots), but his numbers of shots for and against when on the ice are staggering.

[Dr. Doom]

I didn't think it was good at all...

Sounded like an elementary school fight more than good radio.

"You are”

“No you are”

“No no you are”

“No no no you are”

I couldn’t hear any legitimate points through the noise.

Maybe I just find Loubardias annoying who knows…

[Vinny01]

I loved the segment I was posting here during the exchange and texting buddies to see if they were listening and if not they should tune in. It is a subject that is extremely polarizing and I am much more on the anti advanced stats side. Having said that you could tell it was personal for Loubo as he is emotionally attached to Russell and it sounded like he was defunding a friend.

I don't think Pat antagonized the situation as much as Lou was a ticking time bomb ready to blow up on the subject.

In my opinion there is no doubt that Russell and his play has a huge divide amongst flames fans. This is a player that you have one group saying he makes his partners better. Wideman had by far his best season as a Flames let war paired with Russell. They stepped up as the top pairing when Gio went down and Russell was a beast in the playoffs. Both Duhatchek and Dcott Morrison said the same about Russell's impact with Dougie. They say that Dougie looked a lot more like the player Flames fans thought they were getting when he was paired with Russell.
You then have the crowd that pulls the underlying numbers and shows that whenever these players are paired with Russell their possession stats plummet. Even though Wideman had 56pts last year and Russell with 34 you had analytic people saying they were one of the worst pairs for possession in the whole league.

Personally I like Kris Russell and the style he plays. It is impossible not to root for him he is the definition of a warrior on the ice. Having said that there is no way the organization should committ $5M per on a long term deal to him. He has a big heart but is still undersized and outmuscled along the boards frequently. I think most fans here would prefer he be a solid #5 rather than a miscast #3. Considering the hype around a potential return I would be very disappointed in the organization of he was not traded by Monday

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by saillias

Agreed with this, and I suspect he's got aspergers/mild autism. He reminds me very much of a friend I had in elementary who was eventually diagnosed. Very hard to deal with, overly sensitive, etc.

Give me a break

Yes, let's assume autism or aspergers whenever someone is a bit of a grump on certain issues.

[stone hands]

reposting my thoughts from the other thread since I'm hoping someone else can remember what i'm talking about in the first part of my post:

So I very very vaguely remember this, but there was a game quite a few years ago when loubo was on TV. His co-commentator said something about a players Jr career(I think?) and loubo basically just tried to correct him. Then the co commentator tried to defend himself and loubo went on a very pointed rant about how the other guy didn't know what he was talking about and how he really watches hockey or something and the other guy didn't say a single word for the rest of the broadcast. He got really personal

I like loubo in general but I have a few problems with him. Namely:

1) he is WAY too sensitive. He really gets set off by the most petty things
2) he acts like his opinion is fact and if you disagree with him, then you're just wrong and you don't watch enough hockey or some other condescending comments
3) he is frequently wrong and let's his personal like/dislike of an individual cloud his judgement. Hey loubo,I get it. You've watched little Kris Russel chase people around in his own end for 20 years. That means he's bad. Sorry. When both the 3rd and farm team callup pairing can seamlessly step into his role, I stop believing that his "heart and willingness to jump in front of pucks" is worth more than the ability to actually play hockey and defend

[GioforPM]

I mentioned it elsewhere, but Loubo was contrite on the pregame show, saying "If you listed to me on the noon show - and I hope you didn't" and then discussed Russell (calmly).

[nik-]

On the Fan 960 mock draft in 2013, Loubardias was taking Horvat with Monahan still on the board. At no point, even without the benefit of the hindsight we have now, was this the call to make.

He falls for guys and it clouds his judgement. So basically he's human, but it doesn't make him right.

[Trojan97]

Loubo's arguments in favour of Russell completely fell flat IMO. Which is surprising cause Loubardias is a sharp hockey guy and knows his stuff. I'm quite shocked he wasn't able to put together a better case in favour of Russell. With that said, Pat's whining throughout the second half of the interview was a little much. It came off to me as a very pouty "why don't you listen/respect what I think more" which got old very quick.

In the end, I really enjoyed the conversation as it was so out of the norm for the typical bland Flames talk on the Fan but I don't think either guy came out of it looking particularly sharp.

[dobbles]

As someone who has no idea who either of these guys are, or their backstories, it took like a minute to realize that this Lou fellow is a giant child.

While personality can be a good thing and certainly helps with ratings, willing ignorance is a pretty big turn off for me.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If I had to pick though I'm going with the advanced stats on this one because they can't or at least shouldn't lie. The Corsi relative with all other Flames players basically suggests that only Bollig did better with Russell than without. That's pretty telling.

Gelinas was on the post game show and weighed in. He sided with Lou and said that Russell was the one who stepped up and lead when Giordano went down last year. Said he played with a broken hand. Gelinas said that Russell makes the player he plays with better. He may have been talking about last year moreso than this year but still very interesting. The coaches definitely do not agree with the advanced stats but we already knew that didn't we.

Like I posted in another thread I have a theory that Russell has been banged up a lot of this year and that it has affected his play a bit. He's a warrior and a leader. Definitely would love him back but I think 3.5 million is what we'd need him to make and he should be able to easily best that on the open market this summer.

[Parallex]

Just listened to it, yeesh... Loubardias needs some anger management training or something. I can't believe they spent 15 minutes arguing about effectively nothing since they both appeared to agree about where Kris Russell should slot in both on the team as is and on a Stanley Cup caliber team.

[saXon]

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