If Russell's in, I really hope that doesn't mean Nakladalk or Wotherspoon are out.
I agree. Engellend is the easy scratch for me. Means Russell does a straight swap and you can keep Wotherspoon and Nakladal in, letting them further their auditions for jobs next season.
I'd be really ticked off if one of those 2 is a scratch in place of Russell. Earned, not given.
I agree. Engellend is the easy scratch for me. Means Russell does a straight swap and you can keep Wotherspoon and Nakladal in, letting them further their auditions for jobs next season.
I'd be really ticked off if one of those 2 is a scratch in place of Russell. Earned, not given.
Huh? Engelland has earned his place, he's playing well. And Russell shouldn't lose his place due to injury. If you really believe in earned not given then Nakladal is the logical choice to sit.
Not sure why you guys would be crying over Nakladal sitting one or two games, Russell should be gone by Monday freeing up that spot for the rest of the season.
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Huh? Engelland has earned his place, he's playing well. And Russell shouldn't lose his place due to injury. If you really believe in earned not given then Nakladal is the logical choice to sit.
Not sure why you guys would be crying over Nakladal sitting one or two games, Russell should be gone by Monday freeing up that spot for the rest of the season.
Engellend is playing well? He was garbage against the Ducks, did you see his giveaway on Kesler's 2nd goal?
And just like he did to Brodie last season, him being paired with Hamilton is killing Dougie's offence. In the 5 games that Russell has been out injured, Hamilton has only put up 2 points(in 1 game). His current 4 game pointless streak is his longest since November. Coincidence?
And by your logic, why not sit Engellend until Monday and then have him finish out the season in Russell's spot? I think Nakladal and Wotherspoon have struck up a decent understanding together and neither deserve to be scratched, definitely not ahead of Engellend.
Engellend is playing well? He was garbage against the Ducks, did you see his giveaway on Kesler's 2nd goal?
And just like he did to Brodie last season, him being paired with Hamilton is killing Dougie's offence. In the 5 games that Russell has been out injured, Hamilton has only put up 2 points(in 1 game). His current 4 game pointless streak is his longest since November. Coincidence?
And by your logic, why not sit Engellend until Monday and then have him finish out the season in Russell's spot? I think Nakladal and Wotherspoon have struck up a decent understanding together and neither deserve to be scratched, definitely not ahead of Engellend.
Yes, Engelland is overall playing very well. You can point to single mistakes but that doesn't prove he isn't playing well. I'm sure I could find a few mistakes by Brodie last game as well, does he deserve to sit suddenly? Nope. Engelland is playing really well overall whether you care to acknowledge it or not.
Sorry but saying, earned not given and then suggesting scratching Engelland ahead of Nakladal/Wotherspoon is basically the opposite of earned not given. Engelland has definitely earned his place in the lineup. He's much more solid defensively than Nakladal at the moment, that's just a fact, that's reality. There is zero chance Hartley would scratch Engelland and play Nakladal ahead of him IMO. Engelland is also one of our only big, strong defenseman who uses his strength and size to rub guys out along the boards and move them in front of the net. I know some fans don't appreciate physical defensive defensemen but the coaches and management do. Most fans watch the puck exclusively and you aren't going to have a good sense of how defensemen are playing defensively if you aren't watching away from the puck. It's easier to do live than on TV for sure.
Earned not given. Engelland has earned far more ice time than Nakladal has this season. I'm not saying Nakladal isn't playing well but you seem to not appreciate how well Engelland is playing at all. He seems to be very underrated by a portion of this board.
Yes, Engelland is overall playing very well. You can point to single mistakes but that doesn't prove he isn't playing well. I'm sure I could find a few mistakes by Brodie last game as well, does he deserve to sit suddenly? Nope. Engelland is playing really well overall whether you care to acknowledge it or not.
Sorry but saying, earned not given and then suggesting scratching Engelland ahead of Nakladal/Wotherspoon is basically the opposite of earned not given. Engelland has definitely earned his place in the lineup. He's much more solid defensively than Nakladal at the moment, that's just a fact, that's reality. There is zero chance Hartley would scratch Engelland and play Nakladal ahead of him IMO. Engelland is also one of our only big, strong defenseman who uses his strength and size to rub guys out along the boards and move them in front of the net. I know some fans don't appreciate physical defensive defensemen but the coaches and management do. Most fans watch the puck exclusively and you aren't going to have a good sense of how defensemen are playing defensively if you aren't watching away from the puck. It's easier to do live than on TV for sure.
Earned not given. Engelland has earned far more ice time than Nakladal has this season. I'm not saying Nakladal isn't playing well but you seem to not appreciate how well Engelland is playing at all. He seems to be very underrated by a portion of this board.
You want mistakes? In the same game that he made the dreadful, avoidable giveaway, he didn't react well on the 3rd goal and let Getzlaf score. He also got knocked aside like he wasn't even there. So he was very much involved in both the goals that killed the game. Oh and he tried a cross crease pass block on their 1st goal that gave it back to Maroon. Not entirely his fault, but also not blameless either.
Poor shot block attempt on Virtanen in the slot which allowed him to score against Vancouver. Poor giveaway on the Wild's first goal, weak shot block attempt which led to their 4th. Done like a kipper on Anaheims 2nd in their game at the Dome. Drawn badly out of position on their 6th, not even in the frame when they score. And that's just in our last 5 games. And that's just the mistakes he's made that have, in part, led to goals.
If that's him playing really well, I dread to think what might happen if he starts playing badly. I simply don't agree at all that he's playing well. He doesn't pass the eye test and he certainly doesn't pass the stats test.
I know he won't scratch Engellend over Nakladal. But then, Hartley has been making poor decisions on the defence all season. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, because I can't be dealing with people who consider their opinion fact and absolute. Does my head in.
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If Engelland was actually a tough physical defenseman who was tough to play against he would have a lot of fans here but the fact is that despite size and toughness being his only positives, he constantly lets guys get by him or score when Engelland is on them in the crease. I don't think Engelland is really that strong on his skates. Smaller guys seem to be able to win battles against him all the time. And that's not even counting the guys who skate around him and his proclivity for dumping the puck out on the glass without ever popping his head up to see if there's any easy pass. Does anyone have stats on icings per player? Engelland would have to lead the team easily.
You want mistakes? In the same game that he made the dreadful, avoidable giveaway, he didn't react well on the 3rd goal and let Getzlaf score. He also got knocked aside like he wasn't even there. So he was very much involved in both the goals that killed the game. Oh and he tried a cross crease pass block on their 1st goal that gave it back to Maroon. Not entirely his fault, but also not blameless either.
Poor shot block attempt on Virtanen in the slot which allowed him to score against Vancouver. Poor giveaway on the Wild's first goal, weak shot block attempt which led to their 4th. Done like a kipper on Anaheims 2nd in their game at the Dome. Drawn badly out of position on their 6th, not even in the frame when they score. And that's just in our last 5 games. And that's just the mistakes he's made that have, in part, led to goals.
If that's him playing really well, I dread to think what might happen if he starts playing badly. I simply don't agree at all that he's playing well. He doesn't pass the eye test and he certainly doesn't pass the stats test.
I know he won't scratch Engellend over Nakladal. But then, Hartley has been making poor decisions on the defence all season. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, because I can't be dealing with people who consider their opinion fact and absolute. Does my head in.
I agree with you here. I love that the guy fought two Canucks at once, and we hear he is great "in the room" but his play on the ice leaves something to be desired. Would be a worthwhile depth guy if he did not have such an anchor contract.
It is interesting that Hartley healthy scratches him a few times and then in other games, he plays more than Hamilton.
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