QOTD: Russell's Value

[Buff]

I foresee a bubble roster player and either a prospect or a couple of picks.

[devo22]

Think he'll net a late 1st or a 2nd + a prospect. Still think there's a deal somewhere with Pittsburgh and Murray though ... Russell would be a great fit for them. Maybe Russell + a B level prospect (or a pick) for Murray?

[The Big Chill]

Dallas and Pittsburgh make a lot of sense as trading partners for Russell, and Nichuskin and Murray make a lot of sense as returns for the Flames. Not sure if/how much we'd need to add to make the deal happen, but I'd rather see one of those players brought back instead of a pick since they really address an area of need.

[Flash Walken]

Two picks or pick and a prospect

2nd + is what I'm thinking comes back.

[Swayze11]

went with 2 2nds, hope I am wrong

[Tinordi]

Very doubtful he's worth a first.

Put yourself in another team's position, is Russell going to push you over the top enough to warrant sending a first back?

No way. If can get a second rounder take it and run.

[cam_wmh]

I'm likely much in the minority here, but I'd rather keep him at $4m x 4, and trade Wideman in the summer.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Poe969

how nice would it be if a bubble team like the pens traded their first for Russell without protecting it, didn't make the playoffs and ended up winning one of the top 3 spots lol. I'm sure any team that trades their first will protect it but my question is that if it's protected and it wins, and it becomes the following years pick and that one wins too, what would happen?

The Penguins traded their pick for Kessel, and it does have lottery protection on it.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Hopefully we can get a 2nd out of someone, a 2nd for this draft. Two 2nds from 2017 and 2018 don't do much for me. Those picks may produce a player 7-8 years from now. I'd be looking for something with a little more immediacy.

[Miniac]

I said he's worth a 1st rounder but we may have to take 2 2nds.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Very doubtful he's worth a first.

Put yourself in another team's position, is Russell going to push you over the top enough to warrant sending a first back?

No way. If can get a second rounder take it and run.

I don't for sure

But then I'm almost certain Roman Polak isn't worth what he pulled in as well. Nor Webber from Buffalo worth a 3rd.

None of us know the market but recent transactions and the thinness of the market for defenders that can play 20 minutes suggests his value is going north not south.

The key for Calgary is timing it. You can't get greedy. Treliving moved quickly last year so I have faith that he has a set price and will let him go when he gets it.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Very doubtful he's worth a first.

Put yourself in another team's position, is Russell going to push you over the top enough to warrant sending a first back?

No way. If can get a second rounder take it and run.

Sekera shouldn't have been worth a 1st
Gaudstad shouldn't have been worth a 1st
Kaberle shouldn't have been worth a 1st and a former 1st
I mean I could go on and on. Point being teams do overpay for pieces that you wouldn't think put them over the top

Russell probably nets us a late 1st, or two 2nds or a good prospect

[Calgary4LIfe]

The market thus far is dictating that Russell is worth a first. Heck, even a bit more than a first with a 'B' level prospect thrown in.

Polak and Weber have thus far shown the market is a huge seller's market. It can still bottom-out, but at present I don't see how Russell isn't currently worth a first.

If it wasn't for this market, I would place his value at around a 2nd round pick. Hope Treliving can get a deal done soon.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Shortage of defencemen, all contenders want to add one generally. Russell and Hamhuis should return very nicely.

[Caged Great]

With how Nakladal and Wotherspoon have played since they entered the lineup, I wouldn't want Russell back at all.

[ricardodw]

Hamilton cost us a 1st and 2 seconds

If Russell gets us a 1st as a UFA rental then his value is greater than Hamilton.

Hamilton's value was inflated compared to Russell's as he had was a RFA and locked for at least another 3 years to the team that owned his rights.

a 1st (pick 14-30 based the 17 teams that might want a playoff rental) is better than 2 seconds. From the jankowski draft in 2012 picks 14-30 have 8 guys that have over 80 NHL games.

The picks 31-60 have 2 players that have 80 games.

From 2010 there are 12 out of 17 with > 80 games compared to 10 out of the 30 2nd round picks. 70% of getting a player out of the playoff teams 1st round picks and 56 % chance of getting one player out of 2 2nd round picks.

44% chance of getting no players and 10 % chance of getting 2.


ie the chance of both Kylington and Andersson playing 80 NHL games by 2020 is 10%

[dammage79]

I feel like the Russell trade is going to shape up more like a hockey trade. Helping bring in a piece like Nichushkin or someone of that ilk.

[JJ1532]

Would people be disappointed if we got 2nds in the 2017 and 18 drafts for Russell, a la Polak's return? Or would we prefer something more immediate?

[Poe969]

Ricardodw:

Russell and Hamilton were completely different situations but you probably wouldn't understand that. The deals are happening at different times of the year. The players are in different times in their careers.

Your math is about as good as....well your posts.

Russell's value is whatever a desperate team is willing to give up.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

I'm likely much in the minority here, but I'd rather keep him at $4m x 4, and trade Wideman in the summer.

I think most would rather unload wideman