2015-2016 Blue Jays Off-Season Thread

[cross16]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

He's honest. That's why I like him. And I'm sure that's why so many in the clubhouse seem to like him too.

Pretty sure virtually every player in that clubhouse feels the same way as he does. Bautista just has the guts to make it public.

I have no problem with what he said or what he did because he is 100% correct. He got asked the questions, it's not like the pulled the media over and asked them to ask him about his contract. he got asked questions, he answered them.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by cross16

Pretty sure virtually every player in that clubhouse feels the same way as he does. Bautista just has the guts to make it public.

I have no problem with what he said or what he did because he is 100% correct. He got asked the questions, it's not like the pulled the media over and asked them to ask him about his contract. he got asked questions, he answered them.

I have no doubt that most of the players in the club house feel the same way he does. It appears they love playing in Toronto and leave only because of Rogers reluctance to pay them. Look at their offseason Twitter accounts. They all hang out together and seem to have a great time.

Price has used the media to convey he would have stayed in Toronto (spent the summer retweeting fans tweets for him step stay before they didnt offer him a contract) and now Bautista band EE appear to be taking that approach.

That being said, there's one thing to say that and there's another thing to go on a childish tirade for 5 minutes saying you aren't even willing to negotiate. I've never seen that level of tirade before.

[Harry Lime]

I'm starting to get the feeling that both JB and EE are not going to be Jays much longer. If JB is looking at 25M with term, and EE 20M with term, that's enough for Rogers to let them go.

The question is whether they keep them for the year for a run to the playoffs, or trade them. I think with a new management team, there is a higher possibility of them being traded. Perhaps one for younger help now, and the other for futures.

(Something along the lines of Puig, Swisher, and Clint Frazier wouldn't hurt anyone's feelings. Yes, those three names are fairly random)

[vegasbound]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 21m21 minutes ago Another source: The proposed Reds/TOR/LAA deal had traction, but hit a snag during the medical review portion of the talks. For now: Dead.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by vegasbound

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 21m21 minutes ago Another source: The proposed Reds/TOR/LAA deal had traction, but hit a snag during the medical review portion of the talks. For now: Dead.

Some bloggers (no real big named ones) have suggested this was a plant to take the focus away from Bautista and had suggested that earlier. Don't believe it myself, but the thought is out there.

I wonder if Saunders knee was the snag?

[Harry Lime]

It was a deal in which potentially every player involved would fail the medical.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

It was a deal in which potentially every player involved would fail the medical.

Apparently it was a minor leaguer from the Jays.

This deal sounds worse and worse the more I read... Bruce has been hot garbage at the plate the last two years, costs way more then Saunders, and plays worse D. The only thing he has over Saunders is a cleaner health record... and the Jays were going to throw a prospect in? Worse, a prospect that had the cache to squelch the deal (My guess either Pentacost or Sean Reid-Foley). Madness.

[Hockey Fan #751]

That's hilarious if the Jays were going to throw a decent prospect in after the way Shapiro reamed out AA in September last year.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

That's hilarious if the Jays were going to throw a decent prospect in after the way Shapiro reamed out AA in September last year.

The player's name hasn't come out, it may not be a decent prospect at all. Could just be a dart throw by the Reds.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by zukes

The player's name hasn't come out, it may not be a decent prospect at all. Could just be a dart throw by the Reds.

If it wasn't a decent prospect then it wouldn't have stopped the deal. It would have been a simple matter of substitution.

[sureLoss]

SportsCentre @SportsCentre
BARGAINING BOMBSHELL: As per @rwesthead, Bautista seeks 5 years, $150M tsn.ca/1.442180

[The Big Chill]

Bautista wants 150m over 5 years.

"It’s no secret that in a publicly traded company everybody can track performance fairly easily,” Bautista told reporters. “Stock prices are closely monitored by the whole financial world. I think there is a direct correlation with the success of [Rogers] earnings per share after we started experiencing success. Are they going to put it out in the media and say, ‘Because of the Jays, we made all this money?’ No. But everybody can read between the lines.”

http://www.tsn.ca/sources-bautista-s...-150m-1.442180

I can't imagine Rogers is thrilled with how he is acting right now, regardless of anyone's opinion on what his value really is.

[Senator Clay Davis]

$30 million a year....outside Kershaw and maybe Greinke, nobody is worth that. Dare to dream I guess. But if he somehow gets it that pretty much means Bryce Harper is gonna get $40+million a year.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by Parallex

If it wasn't a decent prospect then it wouldn't have stopped the deal. It would have been a simple matter of substitution.

That is not necessarily true. Maybe in the eyes of the Reds (assuming that is who was getting the prospect) this player has one particular skill that their scouts are looking for, it could still be some dart throw. I can't see the Jays giving up much of significance beyond Saunders. They are the ones taking on money and potential term for only a marginally better upside.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

$30 million a year....outside Kershaw and maybe Greinke, nobody is worth that. Dare to dream I guess. But if he somehow gets it that pretty much means Bryce Harper is gonna get $40+million a year.

No way Bautista gets that from anyone. There is talk of Harper getting $500 million over 12-15 years and that is anywhere from $33,333,333.33 -$41,666,666.67 per year. Bautista for ages 36-41 is not getting anywhere near that. If he does, good for him, but I hope it's with someone else.

I'd pay him $30 million on a sliding year to year basis. A 5 year contract with vesting options each year based on performance would be fine, even with the first 2 or even 3 years guaranteed I'd be fine. That is the only way I'd take that chance.

[TheAlpineOracle]

There's no way Bautista is going to get anywhere near that money. He's a 20M player in my mind on a 4 year contract.

I have a hard time believing he's asking for that much. Seems like a Rogers plant to me. Lining up their PR spin for when the inevitable happens.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by zukes

No way Bautista gets that from anyone. There is talk of Harper getting $500 million over 12-15 years and that is anywhere from $33,333,333.33 -$41,666,666.67 per year. Bautista for ages 36-41 is not getting anywhere near that. If he does, good for him, but I hope it's with someone else.

I'd pay him $30 million on a sliding year to year basis. A 5 year contract with vesting options each year based on performance would be fine, even with the first 2 or even 3 years guaranteed I'd be fine. That is the only way I'd take that chance.

Not a chance do I give Bautista 30M for even a single year. I'd rather have Price's contract for 7 years than Bautista's for 5. Price's contract was nasty, but this one would be borderline insanity.

As I said, the number seems fishy to me.

[JiriHrdina]

I don't usually agree with TAO but in this case I do. Jose has always seem like a bit of a turd. Helluva bat. But still a turd.

[Caged Great]

I am perfectly fine with them trading off both EE and Jose if they re-invest the money in other players that can replace most of their production. Doesn't need to be guys that play the same positions either. You could run out an outfield of Pompey/Pillar/Alford in 2017 if they produce enough and you go sign a great starter and DH or something instead.

Selling off/walking away without replacements will alienate most fans. I think that's why the Jays attempted to get Bruce. I think they figured they could work with him to be a Jose or EE replacement.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by zukes

I can't see the Jays giving up much of significance beyond Saunders. They are the ones taking on money and potential term for only a marginally better upside.

I highly suspect that the prospect would have effectively been in exchange for cash considerations to make the deal revenue neutral.

I also find it hard to buy that some player has one particular skill that both doesn't elevate him to decent prospect status and makes him essential enough to kill a deal without his specific inclusion.

Bautista wants 150m over 5 years.

I'll miss you Jose (unless the thing about your number being your number was just posturing). That's insane, 50M more then I'd be comfortable with.

$30 million a year....outside Kershaw and maybe Greinke, nobody is worth that.

I wouldn't give that to Greinke, and I'd have to really think about it with Kershaw.

Dare to dream I guess. But if he somehow gets it that pretty much means Bryce Harper is gonna get $40+million a year.

Probably... http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/500-m...-be-a-bargain/