[Trade] Markus Granlund to Van for Shinkaruk

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Granlund: 1st season after draft 25g, 21a = 46 pts in 52 games
Shinkaruk 1st season after draft 16g, 15a = 31 pts in 74 games

Granlund 2nd season after draft 18 pts in 48 NHL games and 17 pts 21 AHL games.
Shinkaruk 2nd season after draft 0 pts in 1 NHL game and 39 pts in 45 AHL games.

Granlund 3rd season after draft 7 pts in 31 NHL games and 9 pts in 12 AHL games.

Two years into development Granlund was further ahead and put up better numbers.

They are roughly the same size.

Even though Granlund is a centre, he's best suited for LW, which is what Shinkaruk plays.

Shinkaruk has had a history of attitude problems, Granlund has never.

I think this trade is much smaller scale than people think. It was an opportunity to trade a player buried on the roster for one who has an extra 2 years before RFA to see if he pans out.

What is the history of Shinkaruk's attitude problems can you at least list some of them so we can see the relevance? Some have mentioned Shinkaruk has had some off ice issues but not on ice issues? Lets be fair and at least state why we are calling out Shinkaruk for off ice issues rather than generalizing or stereotyping? At least give us a list of what your talking about if your going to use that to define him.

[devo22]

Wow. Was at a concert tonight and when I checked CP on my phone afterwards I thought this was a joke or an unrealistic armchair proposal. Never thought we'd see yet another Van-Cgy trade so quickly!

I'm pretty meh about the trade. I liked Granlund, but obviously it would have been tough to find a fit for him long term on the Flames team. I like the waiver/ELC flexibility that this trade adds, that could be very helpful down the road.

Never a big Shinkaruk fan (Canuck + something about his face that makes angry lol ... not his fault obviously, but still), but I hope he can develop into a goal scoring top 6 winger at some point. It's been mentioned before, but Bennett/Shinkaruk could make for a great combo if Shinkaruk hits his ceiling.

[GreenLantern2814]

Initial impression watching the highlights: Shinkaruk has an absolutely deadly release.

[ScorchyScorch]

1st they gift Canucks Baertschi Now Granlund Benning getting better at gm job. Shinkaruk will be Gaunce level bust soon.

Lol uh..

Baertschi/Granlund vs. Shinkaruk/Andersson is so very far from being decided.

The ex Flames are a couple years ahead in development time but still haven't done much.

Andersson is annihilating the OHL and looked good in Flames camp, could be a future top 4. Shinkaruk could be a goalscoring top 6. If anything this could end up just being a wash.

[Firebot]

Granlund (and guys like Horak before him) tend to be way overrated on these boards simply because he was a prospect that was developed mostly in our system and is playing in the NHL. If it was the other way around, we would be wondering why we would trade for a tweener that has 7 points in 31 games and was waiver eligible next year.

Shinkaruk has a higher ceiling, is coming off a strong AHL season, and has 2 years before being waiver eligible while playing a position that has a void. That is called proper asset management.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by devo22

Never a big Shinkaruk fan (Canuck + something about his face that makes angry lol ... not his fault obviously, but still)

I think it's a good thing. I mean look at him... he's practically the reincarnation of Ville Nieminen.

Spoiler!

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Interesting to note that like Poirier, Shinkaruk went to the AHL early due to birthdate and thus his contract slid the first year he was in the minors. So after this year he still has 2 years left on his entry level deal I believe.

[3rd line Grinder]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

The 2011 draft keeps getting more interesting.

First, the Tim Erixon fiasco brought the Flames a couple 2nd round draft picks.

In the first round they take Baertschi. Eventually traded to bitter rivals the Canucks.

In the 2nd round they take Granlund. Eventually traded to bitter rivals the Canucks for a hometown player who had many on the board adamant about drafting him or not drafting him.

Wotherspoon is taken in the 2nd.

Gaudreau goes in the fourth round. Becomes an All-Star.

And Brossoit goes in the sixth round, traded to bitter rivals the Oilers in the only trade between the two. Brossoit goes on to become crowned the next goaltending saviour for Edmonton.

The Steve staios deal was the first one

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Granlund (and guys like Horak before him) tend to be way overrated on these boards simply because he was a prospect that was developed mostly in our system and is playing in the NHL. If it was the other way around, we would be wondering why we would trade for a tweener that has 7 points in 31 games and was waiver eligible next year.

Shinkaruk has a higher ceiling, is coming off a strong AHL season, and has 2 years before being waiver eligible while playing a position that has a void. That is called proper asset management.

I see this as good management as well, hardly a home run (at least not for now).
It is weird for Van, but I suppose it is similar to the Baertschi deal, in that they get a guy that they see can step in right away, versus a guy (or pick) that will take a few years. Hoping for that elusive "build on the fly" I suppose.

Like it for the Flames, but still don't see why the Van fans are so infuriated. No need to riot or anything.

[hockey.modern]

Markus Granlund ‏@GranlundMa:

Thank you @NHLFlames and #CofRed for everything! So excited to be part of the @VanCanucks #vancity

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

It is weird for Van, but I suppose it is similar to the Baertschi deal, in that they get a guy that they see can step in right away, versus a guy (or pick) that will take a few years. Hoping for that elusive "build on the fly" I suppose.

Yeah it seems they are targeting players late in their ELC who are far enough in their development to do a job for them in the NHL already, hoping that one of them explodes after a change of scenery. I don't think that approach really works, but hey, who am I to doubt the great Jim Benning ...

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Markus Granlund ‏@GranlundMa:

Thank you @NHLFlames and #CofRed for everything! So excited to be part of the @VanCanucks #vancity

Grandlund as an individual was always very likeable - seemed like a pretty humble guy. Just needed to be more of a Mr. Hyde when he stepped on the ice.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by BEANZ

I know Hunters parents, both who are amazing people. If the apple falls anywhere close to the tree this kid will be just fine.

On the ice, I hope he is a complete #######. That's what this team lacks.

Ditto.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Grandlund as an individual was always very likeable - seemed like a pretty humble guy. Just needed to be more of a Mr. Hyde when he stepped on the ice.

Granlund. Not Grandlund.

Best part of the trade is this spelling mistake will be less common now!

[ScorchyScorch]

The best part is a lot of Canucks fans were expecting something like a 2nd coming back with Granlund.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by AC

Granlund. Not Grandlund.

Best part of the trade is this spelling mistake will be less common now!

Oh, just wait. It's not like a name like Shinkaruk can't be butchered ...

[getbak]

Originally Posted by AC

Granlund. Not Grandlund.

Best part of the trade is this spelling mistake will be less common now!

Have you seen the other guy's name? I don't think there's going to be a decline in spelling errors as a result of this trade.

[CliffFletcher]

3rd/4th line NHL center for a guy who may someday become a 3rd line winger. Pretty much a wash hockey-wise. The value for the Flames with this deal is the two more years of waiver exemption.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

anyone saying they wouldnt trade jankowski for horvat needs to get their heads out of their ####ing asses and stop being such homers

No need to be pissy, everyone is entitle to their opinion. You are high on Horvat, and some are high on Jankowski. How would you feel if someone said you need to get your head out of your whatever?

[AC]

Originally Posted by devo22

Oh, just wait. It's not like a name like Shinkaruk can't be butchered ...

Originally Posted by getbak

Have you seen the other guy's name? I don't think there's going to be a decline in spelling errors as a result of this trade.

Very true, though Grandlund was one that occurred quite often and from posters that don't normally make those types of mistakes.