2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by metal_geek

Subban is the New Phaneuf.... Been saying this for years. Look at his development, hype, contract, play style. Phaneuf was even in Norris conversation early on. As a flames fan, we were aware what we had in phaneuf as the shine started to wear off and we were lucky to get outta that contract when we did. Montreal is in the same boat, and if he's not traded in the near term it's gonna be a huge problem for them down the road.

Same as phaneuf, too much money for a one dimensional D-man who's contract and opinion of himself doesn't match his play.

Theyre different players on and off the ice. The fact they both play defense is the biggest comparable.

[Benched]

Subban is not phaneuf. Pk has wheels and a brain. Bad decisions are from trying to do it all himself, not kill a guy with a crushing hit at the wrong time. Also, pk can hit the net.

Horrible comparison IMO.

[Strange Brew]

If they were to trade PK after his huge financial commitment to the Montreal Children's Hospital, I suspect the outcry would be huge. I don't see him getting traded.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by New Era

You don't get it. You don't throw away assets for nothing. Why in hell would the Flames trade away assets for a player they could very easily grab for free come July 1st? What mission does grabbing Reimer now achieve? Winning games is not the mission right now. Building for the future is. Do you believe that Reimer is such a good asset that the Flames should be paying a premium to have access to him prior to the free agency period? Because that is what the trade you are proposing is about. The Flames would be paying a premium to have access to the player and get him penned to a contract prior to becoming a free agent. Do you believe that Reimer is worth a 3rd round pick, a pick probably in 70's?

What make this proposal even more ridiculous is the inclusion of the 7th if the Flames don't sign him. That is an asset thrown away. Do you honestly believe that a 7th round pick has no value? Do players like Lundqvist, Zetterberg, Rinne, Pavelski, Byguglien, Vrbata, Halak, Elliott, Moulson, Steit, or Palat seem like throw aways? They were all 7th round picks. Picks have value if you have good scouts. It is dumb to throw away a pick for something that does not achieve the objective of improving the team. Giving away a pick for the honor of having Reimer on the Flames down the stretch is not good business.

My problem with your post is that it was not well thought out. It did not consider the objectives of the hockey club. It did not take into consideration the strength or weakness of the free agency market. It didn't take into consideration any potential value of picks. You also changed your tune from the Leafs getting nothing if Reimer doesn't sign, to inclusion of a 7th round pick, which makes the deal worse. Then your insistence that the 7th round pick holds little value is comical. The whole thing is just so HFOil. There is no long term thinking behind it. That is why the proposal deserves to get ripped. We give up something that has value for a player that has very little at the moment. We could get this player for nothing come the summer. The only reason you give up assets to get this guy is if you believe he is part of the long term solution. So do you? Is Reimer part of the long term solution? If he isn't, you wait until the summer and try and get him for free on a short term contract. If you don't get him, you move on. There are other guys that are as good or better available come July 1st with no acquisition cost.

This post is pretty hilarious. You have so much indignation over someone proposing a move that actually happens, in the real NHL, with real GMs, quite regularly. Rights get traded for and yes, even for players that are impending UFAs. Accept this, it happens.

And no, just because some homeruns have been hit with a 7th round pick doesn't mean they hold a lot of value.

[sureLoss]

Here is what Friedman said about the Louis Jean's report:

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-t...-trade-subban/

As part of a much larger discussion on Louis Jean’s tweets on P.K. Subban from Friday morning, during which Friedman believes it to be “extremely unlikely” the Canadiens will trade Subban before his no-trade clause kicks in:

“I think names get thrown around all the time. It doesn’t necessarily mean they’re going anywhere. You just like to know what a player’s value is.

“I will tell you this. Nobody has ever confirmed it, but before that contract got done – or around the time the contract got done… – I think the Canadiens thought about it. I’ve always believed the team was Philadelphia that had the biggest offer. I don’t know what that offer was.

“But at the end of the day, the Montreal Canadiens thought having P.K. Subban was better than whatever Philadelphia’s offer was. But I heard Philly’s was the best.”

[nik-]

I, for one, hope that Therrien wins this hypothetical battle of wills and the Habs do trade Subban because the comedy of that would be too great.

I also think there's pretty much zero chance that happens.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by nik-

This post is pretty hilarious. You have so much indignation over someone proposing a move that actually happens, in the real NHL, with real GMs, quite regularly. Rights get traded for and yes, even for players that are impending UFAs. Accept this, it happens.

And no, just because some homeruns have been hit with a 7th round pick doesn't mean they hold a lot of value.

Find me one trade in the history of the NHL like the one suggested. Find me a trade at the deadline where a non-playoff team gives up conditional pick, backed by another guaranteed pick, for an impending free agent. I don't believe this has ever happened before.

Good teams don't throw away picks. Good GMs use their assets wisely. I would be very concerned if Treliving started throwing picks around wily nily like that. I don't see him doing that.

I do see Reimer as a goaltender the Flames will go after, but only in free agency. I doubt they give up assets to get him. If they were going to, they would have by now. I could be wrong on this but I don't see Treliving giving up assets like that.

[nik-]

You're right, usually it's just a straight across pick, with no condition to drop it lower if the player isn't signed. Which is worse.

I don't want to trade for Reimer, but the proposal was more reasonable than 75% of the trade proposals out there. Not sure why it put such a bee in your bonnet.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I doubt there is any truth to this. If there is, i think it has more to do with locker room personality issues than on ice play. Subban wasn't given the C, the guy who was is apparently extremely loyal to the coach and also doesn't seem to always see eye to eye with Subban.

I think something is not right in that locker room beyond the on ice struggles.

Did you see the locker-room video from a few weeks ago where Subban was holding court and trying to pump up his team-mates? They all just looked down at their skates. It was uncomfortable to watch.

[Demetric]

i would do a trade with TO for Bernier for based on one or more of Wideman, Smid, Stajan, Raymond, Engelland going the other way

[loob job]

Heard an interesting tidbit that Chicago is looking at Drouin.

[Ashasx]

I don't think the Leafs would trade Reimer if there was a risk they'd only get a 7th round pick based on a conditional result.

That's why I don't think it's a great proposal.

[Poe969]

I could see the leafs doing a Reimer for Hiller deal just because Hiller gives the leafs a better chance at losing.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by New Era

Find me one trade in the history of the NHL like the one suggested. Find me a trade at the deadline where a non-playoff team gives up conditional pick, backed by another guaranteed pick, for an impending free agent. I don't believe this has ever happened before.

Good teams don't throw away picks. Good GMs use their assets wisely. I would be very concerned if Treliving started throwing picks around wily nily like that. I don't see him doing that.

I do see Reimer as a goaltender the Flames will go after, but only in free agency. I doubt they give up assets to get him. If they were going to, they would have by now. I could be wrong on this but I don't see Treliving giving up assets like that.

Can you please let it go?

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by loob job

Heard an interesting tidbit that Chicago is looking at Drouin.

Wasn't it on insider trading?

They probably have the assets to get this done. Does Teravainen get it done, or do the Hawks need to add a sweetener like a 2nd/3rd?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Wasn't it on insider trading?

They probably have the assets to get this done. Does Teravainen get it done, or do the Hawks need to add a sweetener like a 2nd/3rd?

I would think something around Dano gets it done

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would think something around Dano gets it done

I think that the emergence of Panarin opens a world of possibilities for Chicago, and fills the spot that they had penciled for Dano. They arn't as strong on the right side, without Hossa, so I would think that they would rather move Dano, and that's not a horrible place to look for return on Yzerman's side. Keep in mind that Yzerman prefers a defenceman, and I wouldn't be surprised if talks stalled out over Ville Pokka.

[loob job]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I think that the emergence of Panarin opens a world of possibilities for Chicago, and fills the spot that they had penciled for Dano. They arn't as strong on the right side, without Hossa, so I would think that they would rather move Dano, and that's not a horrible place to look for return on Yzerman's side. Keep in mind that Yzerman prefers a defenceman, and I wouldn't be surprised if talks stalled out over Ville Pokka.

I know that Chicago's scouts are in Quebec watching him skate.

[UKflames]

How the hell do Chicago continue to put such a good team on the ice with the cap hit of some of their players, it drives me mad. They seem to trade away players and you think they are going to suck but they keep on winning every year, a bit like Detroit.

[Ashasx]

Chicago has Keith and Hossa under contract at unbelievably favourable AAVs that were signed under the previous CBA.

Something many teams don't have the benefit of.

Hopefully the recapture penalties hurt them hard.