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Poe969 · 02-19-2016, 06:46 AM

This team doesn't need a #1 goalie now and giving up assets to get one would be a mistake. This team either needs a goalie who can hold us over until we find a #1 guy or a young goalie who can turn into a #1 guy within about 2-3 years.

IMO there are no real #1 goalies available. The guys who are available are average and not going to really steal a ton of games or be the teams MVP. This team isn't going to be a contender next year anyway so getting someone who's just good enough is all they really need. Unless a really good young goalie becomes available, the team should just take who they can for short term. I really think of all the guys available, Raanta is the best option this coming off season with Reimber being the second option. If they're going to trade for a goalie, I'd try to target someone like Mrazek if possible or even Pickard or Andersen but who knows what could happen. Some players may become available through trade and be perfect for the Flames moving forward.

I just don't think giving up assets right now for someone to help the team almost make the playoffs would be a huge mistake. If they can't get someone good and young, they may have to settle for a vet on a 2 year deal just to ride things out.

transplant99 · 02-19-2016, 07:07 AM

Louis Jean of TVA? RDS?....reporting that Subann has been mentioned in talks with teams....maybe just gauging interest......as per 960 this morning

Toonage · 02-19-2016, 07:10 AM

That would be insane if Subban were to be moved. Absolutely insane.

GoFlamesGo1989 · 02-19-2016, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Louis Jean of TVA? RDS?....reporting that Subann has been mentioned in talks with teams....maybe just gauging interest......as per 960 this morning

If I was the Oilers I'd be all over this.

Nuge + Yakupov.

As a Flames fan would love Subban on my team. Hamilton Swap?

Lanny_McDonald · 02-19-2016, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Conditional 3rd-round pick (7th if the Flames don't re-sign Reimer))

You don't get it. You don't throw away assets for nothing. Why in hell would the Flames trade away assets for a player they could very easily grab for free come July 1st? What mission does grabbing Reimer now achieve? Winning games is not the mission right now. Building for the future is. Do you believe that Reimer is such a good asset that the Flames should be paying a premium to have access to him prior to the free agency period? Because that is what the trade you are proposing is about. The Flames would be paying a premium to have access to the player and get him penned to a contract prior to becoming a free agent. Do you believe that Reimer is worth a 3rd round pick, a pick probably in 70's?

What make this proposal even more ridiculous is the inclusion of the 7th if the Flames don't sign him. That is an asset thrown away. Do you honestly believe that a 7th round pick has no value? Do players like Lundqvist, Zetterberg, Rinne, Pavelski, Byguglien, Vrbata, Halak, Elliott, Moulson, Steit, or Palat seem like throw aways? They were all 7th round picks. Picks have value if you have good scouts. It is dumb to throw away a pick for something that does not achieve the objective of improving the team. Giving away a pick for the honor of having Reimer on the Flames down the stretch is not good business.

My problem with your post is that it was not well thought out. It did not consider the objectives of the hockey club. It did not take into consideration the strength or weakness of the free agency market. It didn't take into consideration any potential value of picks. You also changed your tune from the Leafs getting nothing if Reimer doesn't sign, to inclusion of a 7th round pick, which makes the deal worse. Then your insistence that the 7th round pick holds little value is comical. The whole thing is just so HFOil. There is no long term thinking behind it. That is why the proposal deserves to get ripped. We give up something that has value for a player that has very little at the moment. We could get this player for nothing come the summer. The only reason you give up assets to get this guy is if you believe he is part of the long term solution. So do you? Is Reimer part of the long term solution? If he isn't, you wait until the summer and try and get him for free on a short term contract. If you don't get him, you move on. There are other guys that are as good or better available come July 1st with no acquisition cost.

Caged Great · 02-19-2016, 07:17 AM

If you trade Subban, you have to trade Price and tear it down.

Otherwise it makes zero sense. Not that it makes sense anyway.

blender · 02-19-2016, 07:22 AM

New Era, didn't you get the memo? The Reimer madness is over. We're supposed to be on to Stamkos now.

This is just so HFoil.

Demetric · 02-19-2016, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Am I the only one who understands what a conditional pick is?

i dont think anyone but me can actually see your posts lol

Lanny_McDonald · 02-19-2016, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by blender

New Era, didn't you get the memo? The Reimer madness is over. We're supposed to be on to Stamkos now.

Nope, missed that. Just say no to Stamkos. We can't afford him with the salary structure developing.

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This is just so HFoil.

It is getting that way.

sureLoss · 02-19-2016, 07:27 AM

No surprise that the Montreal media is reporting Subban trade rumors after Subban gets benched.

Toonage · 02-19-2016, 07:28 AM

Hypothetical question time (thank you GoFlamesGo1989 for inspiring this):

You're GM Chiarelli of the Oilers. The Canadiens offer you Subban but ask for RNH, Yakupov and this year's 1st. Do you do it?

Vinny01 · 02-19-2016, 07:29 AM

I know it would never happen but if we could somehow love Gio for Subban that would be awesome.

PK is a hell of a player and seems like a great guy. He would be a huge fan favorite here but the Habs would likely want Brodie or Dougie+ in return. I would keep Brodie and Hamilton fits better with the age group of the players. PK is 26/27 where Dougie isn't even 23 yet.

Oilers should be all over this. Nuge+Nurse would be one hell of an offer

metal_geek · 02-19-2016, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GoFlamesGo1989

If I was the Oilers I'd be all over this.

Nuge + Yakupov.

As a Flames fan would love Subban on my team. Hamilton Swap?

Subban is the New Phaneuf.... Been saying this for years. Look at his development, hype, contract, play style. Phaneuf was even in Norris conversation early on. As a flames fan, we were aware what we had in phaneuf as the shine started to wear off and we were lucky to get outta that contract when we did. Montreal is in the same boat, and if he's not traded in the near term it's gonna be a huge problem for them down the road.

Same as phaneuf, too much money for a one dimensional D-man who's contract and opinion of himself doesn't match his play.

Erick Estrada · 02-19-2016, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

Stop this Reimer madness, he's no better than the goalies here now. He's not a #1 goalie which is what this team needs now!

It's not madness. It's reality. He's a Burke guy and the Flames have been trying to pry him from the Leafs for two years now. IMO if I had to bet on one free agent signing coming to fruition on July 1st Reimer to Calgary would be my bet.

blender · 02-19-2016, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

Hypothetical question time (thank you GoFlamesGo1989 for inspiring this):

You're GM Chiarelli of the Oilers. The Canadiens offer you Subban but ask for RNH, Yakupov and this year's 1st. Do you do it?

Habs would have to add if I'm Chiarelli.

Erick Estrada · 02-19-2016, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

No surprise that the Montreal media is reporting Subban trade rumors after Subban gets benched.

Ha ha ha. Good luck with that. The coach will get fired long before this is even a topic the GM is willing to consider.

Vinny01 · 02-19-2016, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

Hypothetical question time (thank you GoFlamesGo1989 for inspiring this):

You're GM Chiarelli of the Oilers. The Canadiens offer you Subban but ask for RNH, Yakupov and this year's 1st. Do you do it?

Chia should do that all day unless the pick is Matthews. If the deal happens at the deadline though he should still do it as PK is exactly what the Oilers are missing.

If the Oil can pull that trade off and keep McDavid, Hall, Drasaitl, Nurse then they should do it. In my opinion only McDavid should be untouchable in thst trade

blender · 02-19-2016, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's not madness. It's reality. He's a Burke guy and the Flames have been trying to pry him from the Leafs for two years now. IMO if I had to bet on one free agent signing coming to fruition on July 1st Reimer to Calgary would be my bet.

All I was referring to was the tiresome hand-wringing posts about Reimer.
I agree with you and actually would go as far as to say that if the Flames weren't looking hard at him they aren't doing a good job given his place among free agent goalies and the Flames need at the position.

Ashasx · 02-19-2016, 07:36 AM

If Montreal really is looking at trading Subban, they're idiots.

bubbsy · 02-19-2016, 07:47 AM

I doubt there is any truth to this. If there is, i think it has more to do with locker room personality issues than on ice play. Subban wasn't given the C, the guy who was is apparently extremely loyal to the coach and also doesn't seem to always see eye to eye with Subban.

I think something is not right in that locker room beyond the on ice struggles. Price not being there definitely removes his role in leadership and keeping things calm. My feeling is that the Habs will move folks out to resolve whatever is causing the negative noise in the room. That could be the coach and maybe some of 'his guys' or individuals on the other side of the room, which could mean Subban.

This is all my opinion.