U of Manitoba Education faculty - 45% students slots for five "diversity categories"

[VladtheImpaler]

Good discussion, boys. I agree with Peter and others in that the Progressives (and U of M) are focusing on the wrong criteria of identification. It's class, not identity that really defines your chances to get ahead. My kids will go to dental school and be successful, regardless of whether they are gay, TG or whatever. This is a facetious example, but the point is that it's not being gay that will prevent a kid from succeeding - it's the fact that he is poor, or his parents are meth-heads, or whatever in that vein. I threw out the one-liner about abolishing reserves earlier, but it's essentially the same point - setting aside 15% of spots for Natives in B.Ed. or Law won't do any good, as there will never be enough (semi-) qualified contenders to fill those spots. You have to get to them much earlier...
This was already discussed in other threads, but we can go through this again here.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

but the point is that it's not being gay that will prevent a kid from succeeding - it's the fact that he is poor, or his parents are meth-heads, or whatever in that vein.

You can't seriously be suggesting that sexual orientation doesn't limit success in our society can you?

[jayswin]

This thread is great if you want to bet on how many posts will receive thanks from the same two posters (peter12 and CliffFletcher).

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You can't seriously be suggesting that sexual orientation doesn't limit success in our society can you?

Well actually, if you are in some circles of the Arts community it can improve your chances of success.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You can't seriously be suggesting that sexual orientation doesn't limit success in our society can you?

Not across the board, no.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by peter12

Not across the board, no.

Well, "it's the fact that he is poor, or his parents are meth-heads, or whatever in that vein", isn't across the board, either.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Well, "it's the fact that he is poor, or his parents are meth-heads, or whatever in that vein", isn't across the board, either.

In what line of work is having meth head parents useful?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You can't seriously be suggesting that sexual orientation doesn't limit success in our society can you?

Yes, I can. Again, it goes back to class. I am confident in the schools my kids will attend, the social environment they will be exposed to, it will not make a difference. Do you think this is the 1950's or something? However, if that gay kid is the son of lower, lower-middle class parents in Tucson (for example, since I have been observing it at close quarters), yeah it will be a problem, but then that kid probably has no chance regardless.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Yes, I can. Again, it goes back to class. I am confident in the schools my kids will attend, the social environment they will be exposed to, it will not make a difference. Do you think this is the 1950's or something? However, if that gay kid is the son of lower, lower-middle class parents in Tucson (for example, since I have been observing it at close quarters), yeah it will be a problem, but then that kid probably has no chance regardless.

You think members of the LGBT community struggling to fit into society and specifically school is an issue from the 50's? Are you trying to seem as out of touch as possible for fun or do you actually believe that? Good lord, man.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You think members of the LGBT community struggling to fit into society and specifically school is an issue from the 50's? Are you trying to seem as out of touch as possible for fun or do you actually believe that? Good lord, man.

I have not seen any struggling since I was at university and that was almost 30 years ago. If anything gay = cool now, which is great. Again, it's class/wealth that is the issue - the lower the social strata, the tougher it would be to be gay, but then the tougher it would be to be anything.
If your kid hangs out with the kids of professionals, they will all be OK with sexual orientation because their parents are OK with it and have taught their kids accordingly. Those kids will not have issues fitting in, aside from their own personal issues to which I cannot speak.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I have not seen any struggling since I was at university and that was almost 30 years ago.

Could you explain what you mean by you haven't seen it since you were in University? Like you go to schools to see if members of the LGBT community are struggling in any capacity the same way police clear a house?

[peter12]

Anyone who thinks gay kids from the upper class are still struggling to fit in has no idea how the culture has evolved.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by peter12

Anyone who thinks gay kids from the upper class are still struggling to fit in has no idea how the culture has evolved.

As adults, no. Right up until late high school on the other hand...

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by peter12

Anyone who thinks gay kids from the upper class are still struggling to fit in has no idea how the culture has evolved.

Every year, on average, 500 Canadian youth (ages 10 – 24) die by suicide (Statistics Canada). It is unknown, however, how many of these youth identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, Two Spirit or queer (LGBTQ), or may be struggling with questions about their sexual orientation or gender identity. Increasingly, however, studies confirm that suicidal ideation and behaviour are disproportionately prevalent among LGBTQ youth in comparison to their non-LGBTQ peers:
◾33% of LGB youth have attempted suicide in comparison to 7% of youth in general (Saewyc 2007).
◾Over half of GLB students (47% of GB males and 73% of LB females) have thought about suicide (Eisenberg & Resnick, 2006).
◾In 2010, 47% of trans youth in Ontario had thought about suicide and 19% had attempted suicide in the preceding year (Scanlon, Travers, Coleman, Bauer, & Boyce, 2010).
◾LGBTQ youth are 4 times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual peers (Massachusetts Department of Education, 2009).
◾Adolescent youth who have been rejected by their families for being LGB are over 8 times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual peers (Ryan, Huebner, Diaz, & Sanchez, 2009).
◾A study in Manitoba and Northwestern Ontario revealed that 28% of transgender and Two Spirit people had attempted suicide at least once (Taylor, 2006).
◾Both victims and perpetrators of bullying are at a higher risk for suicide than their peers. Children who are both victims and perpetrators of bullying are at the highest risk (Kim & Leventhal, 2008; “Suicide and bullying: Issue brief,” 2011).
◾While suicide is never the result of one cause, bullying can have a long-lasting effect on suicide risk and mental health. The relationship between bullying and suicide is stronger for lesbian, gay and bisexual youth than for their heterosexual peers (Kim & Leventhal, 2008): •68% of trans students, 55% of LB students and 42% of GB students reported being verbally harassed about their perceived gender identity or sexual orientation.
•20% of LGBTQ students reported being physically harassed or assaulted about their perceived gender identity or sexual orientation.
•49% of trans students, 33% of lesbian students and 40% of gay male students have experienced sexual harassment in school in the last year (Taylor et al. 2011).

SOURCE: http://egale.ca/backgrounder-lgbtq-youth-suicide/

[peter12]

Makarov, I said upper-middle class for a reason.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

That's not really a response, from where I sit... are those stats heavily slanted on a class basis? I have no particular reason to think so.

Intuitively, I think we're way better off than we were when I was in high school, and even back then, being outwardly homophobic would result in ostracization by many. Further, some of those stats make me instantly raise an eyebrow, like the number of people supposedly "sexually harassed"; I've also become more and more cynical about these sorts of studies being agenda driven. But at the end of the day, there are a bunch of dead kids. It's pretty damned hard to argue with that.

[taco.vidal]

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-co...of-society-men

As is common at teachers’ college across the country, there’s a distinct lack of men at the University of Manitoba. Enrollment in the faculty of education is 72 per cent female, and has been that way for decades. Across the country, 75 per cent of all education degrees are earned by women. If teachers’ colleges are meant to mirror society, it can’t be overlooked that half the population is male, especially given the well-established importance of male role models in combating high drop-out rates among boys. China is now aggressively recruiting male teachers, according to a recent New York Times report, in order to “salvage masculinity in schools” and improve the consistently poor performance of boys in college entrance exams.

Is this a problem that needs to be addressed? Are young boys being left behind because of the lack of male teachers?

Is this a worry in particular with the rising number of boys being raised by single mothers where the boys dont have fathers and other male role models?

Does it also call into the question the education faculties stated goal of having the make up of its students and future teachers reflect the make up of our population? Everyone needs to be represented except for men?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-co...of-society-men







Is this a problem that needs to be addressed? Are young boys being left behind because of the lack of male teachers?



Is this a worry in particular with the rising number of boys being raised by single mothers where the boys dont have fathers and other male role models?



Does it also call into the question the education faculties stated goal of having the make up of its students and future teachers reflect the make up of our population? Everyone needs to be represented except for men?

Yes.
Maybe.
Unclear question.
No.
No.

That was easy!