02-09-2016, 09:12 AM
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#41
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
#8 Dubois - top ranked Canadian
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The only other draft where the first Canadian was picked remotely as low was the 1999 draft that saw Finley taken 6th overall.
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02-09-2016, 09:24 AM
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#42
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by loob job
New Era, you don't like Nylander?
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Nope. Not a fan. Saw some skill but didn't see a guy that would play in traffic. Reminded me of Baertschi in a way. Seemed to play scared at times and much smaller than he is. I'd rather not waste a pick on that type of player. We already have some small high end skill in the system, so focus more on guys with size or incredible jam. That's why Bellows made my top 10. Love the kid's ability to finish, but like the edge he plays with even more. I would not be disappointed if we came away from this draft with player like that. Seems to be like Bennett but more of a shooter.
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02-09-2016, 03:05 PM
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#43
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko
Before Wayne Gretzky took over the NHL there was Bryan Trottier. I'm not joking.
Steve Yzerman & Gordie Howe are also good comparisons.
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There is a bit of hyperbole there, but I do agree with Steve Yzerman. Ron Francis as well, but I suppose neither are that "modern".
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From HFBoard oiler fan, in analyzing MacT's management:
O.K. there has been a lot of talk on whether or not MacTavish has actually done a good job for us, most fans on this board are very basic in their analysis and I feel would change their opinion entirely if the team was successful.
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02-10-2016, 04:58 PM
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#44
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Calgary via Palm Desert
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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
There is a bit of hyperbole there, but I do agree with Steve Yzerman. Ron Francis as well, but I suppose neither are that "modern".
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Hyperbole? Was that mean?
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02-10-2016, 07:10 PM
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#45
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko
Hyperbole? Was that mean?
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I am not sure if there is a question there, but a direct comparison to Gretzky is fair exaggeration as to his talents and place in history. "Before Gretzky", there was Lafleur, Dionne, Esposito, , Bobby Orr, Bobby Hull and lots of others. Trottier was an excellent player, an easy hall of famer, but I wouldn't say historic player.
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From HFBoard oiler fan, in analyzing MacT's management:
O.K. there has been a lot of talk on whether or not MacTavish has actually done a good job for us, most fans on this board are very basic in their analysis and I feel would change their opinion entirely if the team was successful.
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02-10-2016, 08:02 PM
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#46
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
I am not sure if there is a question there, but a direct comparison to Gretzky is fair exaggeration as to his talents and place in history. "Before Gretzky", there was Lafleur, Dionne, Esposito, , Bobby Orr, Bobby Hull and lots of others. Trottier was an excellent player, an easy hall of famer, but I wouldn't say historic player.
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He is in the top 20 of all time IMO. In that same tier as Sakic and Yzerman.
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02-10-2016, 08:07 PM
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#47
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
He is in the top 20 of all time IMO. In that same tier as Sakic and Yzerman.
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I have no problem with that. I was responding to this:
Before Wayne Gretzky took over the NHL there was Bryan Trottier. I'm not joking.
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From HFBoard oiler fan, in analyzing MacT's management:
O.K. there has been a lot of talk on whether or not MacTavish has actually done a good job for us, most fans on this board are very basic in their analysis and I feel would change their opinion entirely if the team was successful.
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02-10-2016, 08:19 PM
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#48
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
I have no problem with that. I was responding to this:
Before Wayne Gretzky took over the NHL there was Bryan Trottier. I'm not joking.
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At the time, the league was at crossroads as far as superstars go. Trottier was a big name but the way the original poster put it was a bit over the top. Guys like Perreault, Bossy, Dionne and Lafleur (who was getting older, and pretty much done as super star by 1981) were the big names. Trottier was pretty notable back then and would stand out more if not for Gretzky IMO. Maybe that's what he was getting at? He had over 1000 points in his first 10 seasons, all while being arguably the best 2 way center in the league.
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02-10-2016, 08:29 PM
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#49
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
At the time, the league was at crossroads as far as superstars go. Trottier was a big name but the way the original poster put it was a bit over the top. Guys like Perreault, Bossy, Dionne and Lafleur (who was getting older, and pretty much done as super star by 1981) were the big names. Trottier was pretty notable back then and would stand out more if not for Gretzky IMO. Maybe that's what he was getting at? He had over 1000 points in his first 10 seasons, all while being arguably the best 2 way center in the league.
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He was also a nasty SOB who was quite happy to take your spleen out.
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02-11-2016, 08:53 AM
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#50
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Franchise Player
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Yeah, Trottier's comparison might be a more offensively productive Toews, with the demeanour of... actually, that's tough to come up with. Are there any star players today who are genuinely nasty? Maybe Corey Perry?
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Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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02-11-2016, 09:06 AM
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#51
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Yzerman said Trottier was his favorite player, so the comparison seems on. But it's more like Yzerman turned into Trottier, not that he was similar from the start. Yzerman strated out as a pure offensive phenom.
The "before Gretzky" statement seems over the top, but he actually held a lot of "fastest/youngest to reach X points" records that were only broken by Gretzky and/or Bossy (the latter with a lot of help from Trottier).
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02-11-2016, 10:35 AM
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#52
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Yeah, Trottier's comparison might be a more offensively productive Toews, with the demeanour of... actually, that's tough to come up with. Are there any star players today who are genuinely nasty? Maybe Corey Perry?
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That's why I said Forsberg. Forsberg had a pretty nasty mean streak and was TOUGH to play against.
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02-11-2016, 01:53 PM
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#53
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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If any player has any potential to play a Forsberg game, I want him.
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02-11-2016, 03:10 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
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Juolevi looks very interesting to me. He has a chance to be a franchise defenseman. He could go ahead of Chychrun.
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