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bax · 02-09-2016, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jg13

Maybe Yakupov and Schultz for Drouin?

Tampa might try to punish Drouin by sending him over there.

NHL GM's don't think like that

SuperMatt18 · 02-09-2016, 01:19 PM

If Schultz comes a pretty much no cost I don't see why a team wouldn't give him a 20 game run somewhere.

Petry, Dubnyk, Scrivens, etc are all people who leave Edmonton only to then look better.

Bring Schultz in, try to actually coach him and teach him how to play hockey, and see if him improves over 20 games. What do you have to lose if you are a team like Buffalo?

No term left after this season, and you aren't forced to give him a qualifying offer, but you can get a good first hand look at a kid who once showed a lot of promise.

Cali Panthers Fan · 02-09-2016, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

I think Schultz could be a decent reclamation project for a rebuilding team (not Calgary though). Still sort of young, and it's not that long ago that he was considered one of the top D prospects in hockey. Tons of potential upside.

I just think his contract situation will scare a lot of teams away.

By reclamation project, do you mean reclaiming his current brain and transplanting a different one in? That's the only way you could get him to actually play decently. He hasn't progressed at all over his time in the NHL in the mental aspects of the game, which traditionally get better with most players. That's a big, big red flag.

jg13 · 02-09-2016, 01:24 PM

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SuperMatt18 · 02-09-2016, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

By reclamation project, do you mean reclaiming his current brain and transplanting a different one in? That's the only way you could get him to actually play decently.

He was also never given the proper coaching, or been allowed to learn.

He was thrown into top minutes pretty much since day one - and he was never allowed time to develop.

Get him the right coaching staff, lots of time in the press box, and some 1v1 teaching in practice and maybe he starts to come along.

mdubz · 02-09-2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He was also never given the proper coaching, or been allowed to learn.

He was thrown into top minutes pretty much since day one - and he was never allowed time to develop.

Get him the right coaching staff, lots of time in the press box, and some 1v1 teaching in practice and maybe he starts to come along.

It's too late for all that. This isn't a kid. He is what he is at this point.

Demetric · 02-09-2016, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mdubz

It's too late for all that. This isn't a kid. He is what he is at this point.

at 25 ... give your head a shake

Split98 · 02-09-2016, 01:40 PM

I would really only want him to develop him into something the Oilers couldn't.

But I really think we have a lot better options in our system to develop already at this point.

Oiler tears do taste so so sweet though.

SofaProfessor · 02-09-2016, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mdubz

It's too late for all that. This isn't a kid. He is what he is at this point.

25 year old Mark Giordano playing in the KHL because he couldn't get a decent enough contract from the Flames says hi.

bubbsy · 02-09-2016, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

I think Schultz could be a decent reclamation project for a rebuilding team (not Calgary though). Still sort of young, and it's not that long ago that he was considered one of the top D prospects in hockey. Tons of potential upside.

I just think his contract situation will scare a lot of teams away.

is this still debatable? I haven't seen any potential from the guy. I remember early on commentators would rave about his "wrister from the point" but even that has become a non-factor.

I see absolutely zero upside. Well as much upside as D prospects who were once touted for their 2way ability, like a Runblad or Erixon.

codynw · 02-09-2016, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

is this still debatable? I haven't seen any potential from the guy. I remember early on commentators would rave about his "wrister from the point" but even that has become a non-factor.

I see absolutely zero upside. Well as much upside as D prospects who were once touted for their 2way ability, like a Runblad or Erixon.

He dominated the AHL and had a pretty good rookie season in the NHL. Just couldn't take that next step, and all of that is on the Oilers' coaching staff and management. Maybe it's too late, maybe it's not, but to say he doesn't have the potential to be good is just wrong.

bob-loblaw · 02-09-2016, 01:48 PM

He's not playing because he's bad.

GranteedEV · 02-09-2016, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SofaProfessor

25 year old Mark Giordano playing in the KHL because he couldn't get a decent enough contract from the Flames says hi.

*Gio was 24 when he went to the KHL. Also, he was a decent depth player the year before, but was in-tough to crack a deep blue line with Aucoin, Phaneuf, Regehr, Sarich, and Sutter offering him a 3-way contract was a pretty ***** move.

Honestly I'm not sure 25 year old Justin Schultz is a better hockey player than Tim Erixon.

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Originally Posted by codynw

He dominated the AHL

No, he put up points on an AHL team with Hopkins, Eberle, and Hall playing during the lockout. Say what you will about those three, but they're all too good for the damn AHL.

codynw · 02-09-2016, 01:50 PM

Look at the long list of players who have left Edmonton and gone on to be much better players elsewhere. If he ends up in the right situation, I think Schultz could be another name to add to that list.

For what it's worth, I don't want him in Calgary. There's no way he'll crack this team's top 6 and they don't need another soft puck mover anyways. But a team like Buffalo or Toronto? What do they have to lose?

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

No, he put up points on an AHL team with Hopkins, Eberle, and Hall playing during the lockout. Say what you will about those three, but they're all too good for the damn AHL.

Only two players on that team had more points than Schultz. Eberle, and Arcobello (who played twice as many games). He had more points and points per game than both Hall and RNH.

mdubz · 02-09-2016, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SofaProfessor

25 year old Mark Giordano playing in the KHL because he couldn't get a decent enough contract from the Flames says hi.

You're comparing Gio at 25 vs Schultz at 25? Gio showed a ton of upside and promise, and has always been a late bloomer. Schultz has shown nothing at the NHL level. Again, he is what he is.

GioforPM · 02-09-2016, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Look at the long list of players who have left Edmonton and gone on to be much better players elsewhere. If he ends up in the right situation, I think Schultz could be another name to add to that list.

For what it's worth, I don't want him in Calgary. There's no way he'll crack this team's top 6 and they don't need another soft puck mover anyways. But a team like Buffalo or Toronto? What do they have to lose?

Dubnyk, maybe Cogliano. Who else? Maybe you could count Tobias Reider.

There's a fair number who Edmonton ruined forever as well - Penner, Paajarvi.

Flames Draft Watcher · 02-09-2016, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

He dominated the AHL and had a pretty good rookie season in the NHL. Just couldn't take that next step, and all of that is on the Oilers' coaching staff and management. Maybe it's too late, maybe it's not, but to say he doesn't have the potential to be good is just wrong.

Well so far he hasn't shown any indication he can learn to play defense. He's a puck mover but has remained a disaster in his own end. Perhaps he does have potential but I'm not sure I'd give up much for him as the Flames. We're not in dire need of puck movers with Gio/Brodie/Hamilton and Andersson/Kylington/Hickey so much that we'd need to take a chance on Schultz. I'm sure there's some team that needs one more badly that may take a chance.

GioforPM · 02-09-2016, 01:59 PM

Can Schultz play RW?

GranteedEV · 02-09-2016, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Look at the long list of players who have left Edmonton and gone on to be much better players elsewhere. If he ends up in the right situation, I think Schultz could be another name to add to that list.

Petry, Smid, Cogliano, and Dubnyk were all identifiable as decent, over-exposed hockey players in Edmonton. Dubnyk was pretty bad his last year, but also had a strong history, even nearly carrying them to a playoff spot in the lockout year.

Gagner otoh has done ****-all and he was still better than Schultz as an Oiler. Justin Schultz is just horrible. He's not even a good power play quarterback despite being an offensive defenseman.

Harry Lime · 02-09-2016, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

You mean that would be an upgrade for the Oilers? Why? I woukd think just letting him go at the end of this year for nothing makes more sense for the Oilers than taking an albatross contract in return.

MacDonald isn't playing in Philly because of his contract, not because he isn't an NHL calibre defenseman, and even with all of Edmonton's dmen healthy, they only have 5 that are NHL calibre.

MacDonald would be an upgrade. I doubt the Oilers re-sign Purcell, so it's a wash in money with that player, and it's easier to find a replacement LW making the kind of money that Scultz was making this year. (1 D/LW out, 1 D/LW in)

Yes, Schultz for MacDonald would make Edmonton a better team, now and in the future. I'm glad that there is strong resistance to the idea in Edmonton.

It's a negative value for negative value trade, but Edmonton would get the better player, in a position of need.

As was suggested, re: Carle, I think that this is the kind of return that could be expected from around the league.