2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I would do it if the Flames had a choice of this year's or next year's first.

I wouldn't give up a lottery ticket for Matthews at this point though. But let's say that we end up drafting outside of the top 5 and could wait until after the lottery to decide whether to make it this year's or next year's pick, I would take that deal.

There would just have to be some insurance this year.

Even If the Flames end up drafting outside the top three, or top five, still wouldn't do it. Some potential great players in the 6-12 range.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Great point, what if Tampa said Ferland and a second for Drouin?

Hell yes.

A 2nd rounder has like what, a 50% chance or less of becoming an impact NHL player, plus Ferland who is essentially a bottom 6 player?

Drouin might bust yet, but at 20 years old, I would throw the dice on that deal for us. No way Tampa ever entertains it though.

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Great point, what if Tampa said Ferland and a second for Drouin?

yup, in a heartbeat. and I love Ferland

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Great point, what if Tampa said Ferland and a second for Drouin?

Wouldn't want Drouin's attitude and ego in the org.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Great point, what if Tampa said Ferland and a second for Drouin?

Guys. Ferland's has 13 points in 64 career games, this season 2 goals and 6 assists despite being gifted top 6 (top 3 at times) ice time as well as time on powerplay. A lot of fans have complained about Colborne but Ferland would kill to have Colborne's offensive output. No teams are asking for this guy in any sort of trade involving players like Drouin.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Guys. Ferland's has 13 points in 64 career games, this season 2 goals and 6 assists despite being gifted top 6 (top 3 at times) ice time as well as time on powerplay. A lot of fans have complained about Colborne but Ferland would kill to have Colborne's offensive output. No teams are asking for this guy in any sort of trade involving players like Drouin.

For me, it's more of the fact that as our management team and coaching staff have said, they place as much importance on players having high levels of character and work ethic as they do on skill.

Also we have a very small organization already. We need size.

I wouldn't even trade a 2nd rounder for Drouin straight up. I understand that may not make sense to a lot of people but there it is.

[Poe969]

The whole thing about character and stuff is a great point but at the same time wasn't Ferland going through some pretty tough times personally? The team didn't distance themselves from him because of what was going on, they helped him through it. They could likely do the same for Drouin too. It looks bad for Drouin but we don't know the whole story and because he's acted this way now doesn't mean he'll always be like this. Size is an issue for me but if Drouin can put up points, I'd over look it.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Guys. Ferland's has 13 points in 64 career games, this season 2 goals and 6 assists despite being gifted top 6 (top 3 at times) ice time as well as time on powerplay. A lot of fans have complained about Colborne but Ferland would kill to have Colborne's offensive output. No teams are asking for this guy in any sort of trade involving players like Drouin.

Yeah, but has Drouin been the MVP of a playoff series?

The Flames need more guys like Ferland.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Poe969

It's getting to the point with Drouin that Tampa will have to trade him if they start to slide and want some help for the playoffs. Tampa needs to trade him more then other teams need to trade for him. Sure, they can say they're just going to leave him be but I'd be willing to bet paper money that they won't.

That argument makes sense if Tampa is getting an impact player back for Drouin, if they had been offered that then he would probably already have been traded. Yzerman isn't likely to trade him for depth player(s) just to get a deal done. If they aren't getting back a significant, ready to play, asset then Tampa is no worse off waiting until the draft IMO.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Guys. Ferland's has 13 points in 64 career games, this season 2 goals and 6 assists despite being gifted top 6 (top 3 at times) ice time as well as time on powerplay. A lot of fans have complained about Colborne but Ferland would kill to have Colborne's offensive output. No teams are asking for this guy in any sort of trade involving players like Drouin.

His value is likely higher to us which is why we're likely to keep him. But as Bourque's Twin says we need more power forwards.

I doubt TB would be keying on Ferland. I doubt Treliving is looking to move Ferland. So talk of that seems kind of pointless.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by heep223

For me, it's more of the fact that as our management team and coaching staff have said, they place as much importance on players having high levels of character and work ethic as they do on skill.

Also we have a very small organization already. We need size.

I wouldn't even trade a 2nd rounder for Drouin straight up. I understand that may not make sense to a lot of people but there it is.

Well Kyle Turris was in a similar situation and he's done just fine on the Senators as never a sniff about him being a bad teammate. IMO it's more business than character. He's seen all the guys drafted around him get legit opportunities to translate their game to the NHL and he wants the same for himself. Monahan is in line for a possible raise to $5 million plus Drouin has to be looking at that thinking "I could be in line for that kind of money if my team would just give me a chance". There's a lot of things to consider from his point of view.

It's not like his NHL stats are horrible and you can make a very good case he would be a regular on a lot of NHL teams right now. Sometimes it really does come down to the coach simply not liking certain players and this could be one of those cases where it's probably somewhat true. You got the feeling here that Baertschi was never going to get a really fair shake from Hartley because for whatever reason there was something between them preventing of a solid player/coach relationship. Most of the blame goes to Baertschi for sure but I don't think anyone can deny from our vantage point that it simply was never going to work between the two.

If the Flames are drafting outside of the top 5 I would absolutely trade the pick for Drouin as it's a coin flip outside of the top 3 IMO to whether any of the other guys will be productive NHLers. In the big picture the Flames are getting close to being able to turn the corner and with Giordano making top dollar if they want to maximize that contract value they need to be competitive before that deal turns into a major hindrance in the final years. Drouin would help immediately in this regard as it's been painfully evident that this organization is in dire need of top 6 wingers.

If they are in position to draft one of those Finnish wingers great. Pop the champagne but you would have a hard time trying to convince me that the Tkachuk kid has nearly the skills of Drouin.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by heep223

I wouldn't even trade a 2nd rounder for Drouin straight up. I understand that may not make sense to a lot of people but there it is.

That's just crazy talk!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Yeah, but has Drouin been the MVP of a playoff series?

The Flames need more guys like Ferland.

LOL are fans going to really cling to that series forever? Pretty soon this kids going to be as legendary as the great Fernando Pisani in playoff lore. The Flames do have plenty of guys like Ferland and that's why they have the current issue not having skilled winger depth in the organization. You can't build your entire forward group on bottom 6 wingers.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by heep223

For me, it's more of the fact that as our management team and coaching staff have said, they place as much importance on players having high levels of character and work ethic as they do on skill.

Also we have a very small organization already. We need size.

I wouldn't even trade a 2nd rounder for Drouin straight up. I understand that may not make sense to a lot of people but there it is.

I agree with you in that I think the Flames will want to address their size moving forward, so Drouin isn't a fit.

that said, a second for Drouin is just silly. you're losing credibility. Utter nonsense.

If Yzerman would do Ferland and a second for Drouin, any GM with two brain cells to rub together would do that every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LOL are fans going to really cling to that series forever? Pretty soon this kids going to be as legendary as the great Fernando Pisani in playoff lore. The Flames do have plenty of guys like Ferland and that's why they have the current issue not having skilled winger depth in the organization. You can't build your entire forward group on bottom 6 wingers.

Please list for us, because I don't know any.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Yeah, but has Drouin been the MVP of a playoff series?

The Flames need more guys like Ferland.

I like Ferland as much as the next Flames fan, but slow your roll there man.

Ferland ran around against a soft team for seven games. Otherwise he looks to be a middling prospect who has had three concussions. If he can't play with some physical authority he isn't very useful and his play this year would indicated that to a T.

At this point he looks to be a whole lot closer to Brett Lindros than Milan Lucic, or any other impactful power forward.

[Poe969]

They have more guys like Ferland then they do like Drouin sounds better. Ferland does play all out every shift but he doesn't really put up points. I think this is a whole "skill vs. will" where Ferland seems to always put himself out there and Drouin seems to have the skill to be a top 6 forward.

The Flames lack offensive skill. Drouin provides that. A gu like Hunter Smith could replace Ferland if he was gone but we don't have anyone in the system with the skill like Drouin.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well Kyle Turris was in a similar situation and he's done just fine on the Senators as never a sniff about him being a bad teammate. IMO it's more business than character. He's seen all the guys drafted around him get legit opportunities to translate their game to the NHL and he wants the same for himself. Monahan is in line for a possible raise to $5 million plus Drouin has to be looking at that thinking "I could be in line for that kind of money if my team would just give me a chance". There's a lot of things to consider from his point of view.

It's not like his NHL stats are horrible and you can make a very good case he would be a regular on a lot of NHL teams right now. Sometimes it really does come down to the coach simply not liking certain players and this could be one of those cases where it's probably somewhat true. You got the feeling here that Baertschi was never going to get a really fair shake from Hartley because for whatever reason there was something between them preventing of a solid player/coach relationship. Most of the blame goes to Baertschi for sure but I don't think anyone can deny from our vantage point that it simply was never going to work between the two.

If the Flames are drafting outside of the top 5 I would absolutely trade the pick for Drouin as it's a coin flip outside of the top 3 IMO to whether any of the other guys will be productive NHLers. In the big picture the Flames are getting close to being able to turn the corner and with Giordano making top dollar if they want to maximize that contract value they need to be competitive before that deal turns into a major hindrance in the final years. Drouin would help immediately in this regard as it's been painfully evident that this organization is in dire need of top 6 wingers.

If they are in position to draft one of those Finnish wingers great. Pop the champagne but you would have a hard time trying to convince me that the Tkachuk kid has nearly the skills of Drouin.

A player sitting out when he holds firmly to his contract demands is one thing. Sitting out while one player has an existing contract is another. Similarities? Sure, but you have to realize that there is indeed a very big difference here, and why people may feel he has been a bad team mate.

As for Hartley and Baertschi - it is plain to see that if you are young, you have to work hard in order to get playing time by Hartley. The biggest issue with Baertshi wasn't his defence, or willingness to engage, etc. Baertschi just didn't skate hard and he sure as heck didn't seem to put in full efforts. That was the main issue that Burke brought up in his initial tirade, and that never changed with Baertschi in Calgary.

Also, players have gotten themselves out of Hartley's doghouse. Backlund was scratched for a number of games 2 seasons ago, but turned things around enough. Prospect? How about Blair Jones. Remember how Jones and Hartley had that on-ice argument, and Jones was promptly sent down to the AHL? What happened when he eventually returned? He not only was given PP time right away, but the PP ran through him as he ended up being the triggerman. Hartley has benched and demoted a number of players over the years. It was never going to work with Baertschi because Baertschi never bought-in to what the expectations were.

[TOfan]

[QUOTE=Erick Estrada;5614275]

If the Flames are drafting outside of the top 5 I would absolutely trade the pick for Drouin as it's a coin flip outside of the top 3 IMO to whether any of the other guys will be productive NHLers.

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yep.

If the flames are outside the top 5, I would trade the pick for Drouin.

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LOL are fans going to really cling to that series forever? Pretty soon this kids going to be as legendary as the great Fernando Pisani in playoff lore. The Flames do have plenty of guys like Ferland and that's why they have the current issue not having skilled winger depth in the organization. You can't build your entire forward group on bottom 6 wingers.

We aren't even a year removed from that series. We are already reaching 'forever' now?