2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by codynw

I think you're underrating Muzzin a lot. He's not flashy, and he's definitely in Doughty's shadow, but he's a fantastic defenceman.

I don't think I'm underrating Muzzing at all. I know he's a good D man. But at the end of the day if you can lock down Buff at 7m or keep Muzzin at 4m, I feel like it'd be pretty unanimous that Buff would be the way to go.

Buff is 30, Muzzin is 26, thats 4 years difference but we're talking a fairly big upgrade in Buff. And for WPG to move Buff, you're going to need to pony up.

[SuperMatt18]

I take 26 year old Jake Muzzin over 30 year old Dustin Byfuglien.

Especially considering Muzzin is only going to cost you $4 million for the next 4 seasons after this one, and Byfuglien is going to cost you $7 million +.

Byfuglien only has 2 more points than Muzzin this season. Give me the cheaper, younger, and just as productive player every day of the week. Not to mention that Muzzin plays in a defensive system that is more restrictive for d-men to put up points.

Byfuglien is a bigger game breaker on defense, but the Kings already have that in Doughty.

[Poe969]

I don't know...having Doughty and Buff on the same blue line would be awesome...for the kings. It depends on the team as I'd prefer Muzzin on the Flames at this point over Buff. I think if he goes to the Kings, they'll become heavy favorites in the west.

[dammage79]

And, let's not forget Martinez can be moved too. It's not all about Muzzin here. Martinez is 28 and making the same amount of money as Muzzin. I don't think he's a bit piece in a trade for Buff either. In the end, all I am saying is that L.A have the pieces and picks and cap room to get Buff and re-sign him if they wanted to.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I don't know...having Doughty and Buff on the same blue line would be awesome...for the kings. It depends on the team as I'd prefer Muzzin on the Flames at this point over Buff. I think if he goes to the Kings, they'll become heavy favorites in the west.

Is it all just a perception that Buff is better though? Is there is really a $3 million dollar difference between the two players?

Points are a wash, Muzzin has the favorable advanced stats, and has proven chemistry on that team.

Muzzin plays similar 5 v 5, slightly more SH, and about a minute less on the PP per game.

If you could put a package around Martinez then sure, but Muzzin is a stud d-man in his own right and you are spending $3M more on a d-man that isn't substantially better and is 4 years older.

Doughty, Muzzin, and Byfuglien would be impressive. Not sure I really agree that the Kings have the long term cap room for that though.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Is it all just a perception that Buff is better though? Is there is really a $3 million dollar difference between the two players?

Points are a wash, Muzzin has the favorable advanced stats, and has proven chemistry on that team.

Muzzin plays similar 5 v 5, slightly more SH, and about a minute less on the PP per game.

If you could put a package around Martinez then sure, but Muzzin is a stud d-man in his own right and you are spending $3M more on a d-man that isn't substantially better and is 4 years older.

Doughty, Muzzin, and Byfuglien would be impressive though.

Another thing to consider is quality of team that Muzzin and Buff play for.
One could argue that Muzzins stats are a bit inflated on a powerhouse team where Buffs stats are marginalized a bit by playing with the Jets. The Jets as a whole have under performed greatly this season.

I am of the opinion that this is the case, and I am not taking away from Muzzin in any way really, just thinking that the gap is greater but not easy to see with eyes only. To me and it's my thoughts only, that Buff is easily worth 3m more.

[Poe969]

And from what I've seen, Buff is more of a game breaker than Muzzin is. Buff can hand out those big hits, get under the other team's skin, fight, rush the play and score with fines or go through a guy then score with a great shot. From what I've seen of the Kings, only Doughty is that kind of guy on the back end.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Another thing to consider is quality of team that Muzzin and Buff play for.
One could argue that Muzzins stats are a bit inflated on a powerhouse team where Buffs stats are marginalized a bit by playing with the Jets. The Jets as a whole have under performed greatly this season.

I am of the opinion that this is the case, and I am not taking away from Muzzin in any way really, just thinking that the gap is greater but not easy to see with eyes only. To me and it's my thoughts only, that Buff is easily worth 3m more.

Scoring wise? No, IMO, Muzzin's stats are deflated by playing for Sutter (just like Doughty's are). Loosen the reins on Muzzin and Doughty a bit and watch them get points.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Another thing to consider is quality of team that Muzzin and Buff play for.
One could argue that Muzzins stats are a bit inflated on a powerhouse team where Buffs stats are marginalized a bit by playing with the Jets. The Jets as a whole have under performed greatly this season.

I am of the opinion that this is the case, and I am not taking away from Muzzin in any way really, just thinking that the gap is greater but not easy to see with eyes only. To me and it's my thoughts only, that Buff is easily worth 3m more.

It comes down to the role they are playing too of course but in this situation Muzzin is a top 2 d-man on a team that is 1st in their division while playing 22 minutes per night.

Byfuglien is a top 2 d-man on his team that is last in their division while playing 24 minutes per night.

The roles are pretty much identical.

While the Kings are the better team, the points that each player puts up is a wash from a team production standpoint. The Kings have scored 129 goals, while the Jets have scored 126 goals.

Physically Buff has the advantage but Muzzin is no slouch: Byfuglien has 138 hits, while Muzzin has 111 hits.

They block similar numbers of shots: Muzzin has 68 blocks & Buff has 61 blocks.

Everything here points to the players being a relative wash. In that case I take the 4 years younger, and $3M cheaper player every day. Especially because IMO Muzzin is one of the most underrated d-men in the game.

Personally I also worry about how Buff ages due to the weight issues.

[Erick Estrada]

I would be worried about signing Buff into his 30's. He had issues with his weight in his 20's and unless he's more dedicated in his 30's he could decline fast.

[heep223]

#### off Kings, just #### off.

[sureLoss]

Insider trading:

Byfuglien will be #1 trade bait if he is made available
lot of teams including Kings interested
Kings don't have 1st round pick this year, but will offer prospects and players to entice
Stars also have interest

pay attention to the Jets over the next 10 days to 2 weeks
if Ladd is available it is because the Jets can't afford him

nothing on the table that would warrant the Islanders trading Hamonic
Western Canadian teams still pushing for trade (in particular Oilers and maybe the Jets)

Drouin and the Blues have cooled
nothing imminent

there will be interest in Leafs Roman Polak
Matthias, Parenteau will likely be moved

not many discussions between D. Sutter and the Kings on a contract extension
feeling is Daryl would like to stay in LA.

[sureLoss]

Darcy Regier stepped down as senior vice president and assistant GM of the coyotes for personal reasons tonight.

Wonder if another team picks him up.

[Badgers Nose]

TheScore app says Hudler drawing lots of trade interest.

Probably just a rehash of what was publicized a few days ago. Yeah just checked and they cite LeBrun.

[sureLoss]

Ryan Pike @RyanNPike
Scouts from 13 NHL teams in attendance at tonight's #Flames/Carolina game.

[sureLoss]

Scott Cruickshank @CruickshankCH
Scouts (15) at #Flames/#Canes game – Chi (2), Buf (2), Phi, Det, Wpg, NYR, Ari, TB, Ott, Mon, Min, NJ, Edm.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Scott Cruickshank @CruickshankCH
Scouts (15) at #Flames/#Canes game – Chi (2), Buf (2), Phi, Det, Wpg, NYR, Ari, TB, Ott, Mon, Min, NJ, Edm.

Most of those teams are not playoff teams. I wonder which kind of players they would be looking at

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Most of those teams are not playoff teams. I wonder which kind of players they would be looking at

Eric Staal in free agency? Skinner maybe?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't think I'm underrating Muzzing at all. I know he's a good D man. But at the end of the day if you can lock down Buff at 7m or keep Muzzin at 4m, I feel like it'd be pretty unanimous that Buff would be the way to go.

Buff is 30, Muzzin is 26, thats 4 years difference but we're talking a fairly big upgrade in Buff. And for WPG to move Buff, you're going to need to pony up.

I would take Muzzin @ 4m over Buff @ 7m personally. Buff is obviously better now but I really don't think he will age well, the huge body/power-types rarely do. He's probably getting 6-7 years which really clouds things for me. If they were both 26, it would be a no-brainer. Muzzin is the type of player that can be a top 3 D for another 10 years IMO.

All of this is from LA's POV btw. If it were the Flames acquiring Buff, I would be ecstatic. I would jettison many, many players to make that happen if I was Trevy. On LA though, with their contract situation? I would be pretty leery. Rental for sure, but 7-8 x 7m? No... too risky.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Most of those teams are not playoff teams. I wonder which kind of players they would be looking at

Of the 13, I would say only Buffalo, Winnipeg and Edmonton are firmly out of the play off picture. The rest are either in the play offs or are in the hunt for them. Those that are in the hunt would probably look to grab a rental and make a run for the play offs.