Players Tribune: "A guy like me" - John Scott

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Would you apply the same logic to Todd Bertuzzi, Marty McSorley, Luke Gazdic, Ryan Kesler, Kevin Bieksa or Alex Burrows? I'm thinking probably not.

I imagine the tone of the "Scott Chronicles" would be quite different on this board if our daring hero was replaced with a Canuck or an Oiler instead. I doubt anyone would be defending Burrows if he was voted in as a joke, even if he was sent down to the minors, voted the greatest dad ever and gave all his money to charity while his wife was pregnant with triplets. I'm pretty sure none of that would matter and 99% of the focus would be on how much of a DB Burrows is.

This sideshow reminds me of a reality television show or WWE more than it does of hockey. I miss the days when things like this didn't dominate headlines day after day after day after day... This story feels like it's been going on for months at this point.

You legit asked the wrong person. I watch all hockey teams and do not subject myself to excessive emotional fanaticism. I don't need to trash the Oilers to strengthen my like for the Flames. I would also stop watching the Flames if it interfered with my own moral standards, because it's just a game and therefore small part of my daily life.

I actually like those kinds of players BTW. I like players who play with fire in their belly after the whistles, behind the scenes, and after the game. I carry myself the same way but on a professional level and that's how I got ahead.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

^ Someone always has to be "that guy".

Why not? How many players has Scott intentionally hurt over his career? I don't care how exceptional of a human being he is, he is at the All-Star game to represent being a NHL player, and his career as a NHL player has been less than acceptable in the eyes of many.

In fact, if you go find the threads where we talked about on ice incidents Scott was involved with, like the dirty hits, there are many people on CP that said he should be kicked out of the league because of them. Probably some of the same people who are now viewing him in a different light.

I guess suddenly all those dirty plays are not important.

Hate to say it, but I have little sympathy for him either. I could care less if he is a goon or not. My problem with Scott is that he is a dirty player. He has intentionally hurt players, and much like Matt Cooke, he shouldn't play in the NHL much less in the All-Star game.

I have more respect for a guy like McGratton, who plays the same game, but at least 'attempts' to play a clean game. Obviously the NHL looks stupid here, but it doesn't make Scott any less of a dirty player.

Perhaps he should write something about how hard it is for families to deal with players coming home with concussions, and how it wrecks havoc on their lives afterwards. Like the hit on Eriksson, which basically defines the purpose of why Scott plays in the NHL. I'm sure Dan Hamhuis' wife could help him with the article about how players have to deal with concussions after dirty hits from dirty players like Scott.

[driveway]

[QUOTE=New Era;5605064]You're right, this is silly. John Scott was not "selected" to be in the All Star game. He was voted in by a bunch of mean spirited people that don't even watch the sport. [\QUOTE]


You don't know what you're talking about.
You seriously think it was anyone outside the r/nhl community who was voting on this? r/bronys jumped all over this one? It absolutely was NHL fans who voted or this.

You can think whatever you want about how Scott should or shouldn't feel, but the man himself gets to decide. Clearly he's decided he's fine with it.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Daryei

Not what I read...he said that he paid his price to be included in the voting - by being an active NHL'er. Who cares if he's not as good as other AHL'ers, KHL'ers, CHL'ers?

He (was/is) an active player in the NHL -- one of 700, and thus qualifies for the vote.

Actually he's not really an active NHLer - he's playing for the St. John's IceCaps of the AHL.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I'm confused. What did the Coyotes do that was so bad? I noticed people were slagging them but I'm not sure why.

I'm guessing the Coyotes were the only team giving him a sniff at a 1 way deal so he should at least be thankful he got one last pay day thanks to the Coyotes.

Also not a big fan of how this high and mighty engineer seems to think so lowly of the business majors on his team in University.

[GirlySports]

really? we all know the engineering and business schools are rivals. I was in business and my friends who entered the engineering building were never seen again.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

Also not a big fan of how this high and mighty engineer seems to think so lowly of the business majors on his team in University.

I didn't even catch that in the article. And Engineering students have to work waaaaaaaaaay harder than business students.

source: business grad.

Something I find delicious about this whole situation is how media blow hards who were talking trash about Scott before are becoming total starf***ers and trying to be his buddy this weekend.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Something I find delicious about this whole situation is how media blow hards who were talking trash about Scott before are becoming total starf***ers and trying to be his buddy this weekend.

Who is doing this?

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Would you apply the same logic to Todd Bertuzzi, Marty McSorley, Luke Gazdic, Ryan Kesler, Kevin Bieksa or Alex Burrows? I'm thinking probably not.

I imagine the tone of the "Scott Chronicles" would be quite different on this board if our daring hero was replaced with a Canuck or an Oiler instead. I doubt anyone would be defending Burrows if he was voted in as a joke, even if he was sent down to the minors, voted the greatest dad ever and gave all his money to charity while his wife was pregnant with triplets. I'm pretty sure none of that would matter and 99% of the focus would be on how much of a DB Burrows is.

This sideshow reminds me of a reality television show or WWE more than it does of hockey. I miss the days when things like this didn't dominate headlines day after day after day after day... This story feels like it's been going on for months at this point.

Originally Posted by Azure

Why not? How many players has Scott intentionally hurt over his career? I don't care how exceptional of a human being he is, he is at the All-Star game to represent being a NHL player, and his career as a NHL player has been less than acceptable in the eyes of many.

In fact, if you go find the threads where we talked about on ice incidents Scott was involved with, like the dirty hits, there are many people on CP that said he should be kicked out of the league because of them. Probably some of the same people who are now viewing him in a different light.

I guess suddenly all those dirty plays are not important.

Hate to say it, but I have little sympathy for him either. I could care less if he is a goon or not. My problem with Scott is that he is a dirty player. He has intentionally hurt players, and much like Matt Cooke, he shouldn't play in the NHL much less in the All-Star game.

I have more respect for a guy like McGratton, who plays the same game, but at least 'attempts' to play a clean game. Obviously the NHL looks stupid here, but it doesn't make Scott any less of a dirty player.

Perhaps he should write something about how hard it is for families to deal with players coming home with concussions, and how it wrecks havoc on their lives afterwards. Like the hit on Eriksson, which basically defines the purpose of why Scott plays in the NHL. I'm sure Dan Hamhuis' wife could help him with the article about how players have to deal with concussions after dirty hits from dirty players like Scott.

If that's the way you guys feel about 'dirty players', head shots and concussions, I'm surprised you haven't started a movement to have Scott Stevens removed from the HHOF.

You want to talk about a guy who ruined careers, Stevens would have to be considered the poster boy for head shots and concussions. Let's get his kind out of the Hall of Fame. Amirite?!

[JiriHrdina]

^Poor argument.
Stevens was playing under the accepted rules of the game at the time.
That being said - I never liked his big hits. No joy in seeing guys get knocked out. But he is a HHOFer either way.
Not really sure what point you are trying to make.

I think the point is that regardless of how much of a "good guy" Scott is - he still has been a dirty NHLer who has hurt a lot of guys.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by D as in David

His wife is 9 months pregnant with twins? I sure hope (and believe) the Flames organization would not trade a player in such a situation. Pretty low-class of Arizona regardless of the whole All-Star thing.

Let's be frank, the Yotes were all but owned by the league, they will do as they're told, they will need to claim the pogey again some time or get permission to move to a better market, like Brandon or Moose Jaw, maybe Abbotsford.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

really? we all know the engineering and business schools are rivals. I was in business and my friends who entered the engineering building were never seen again.

They were just down in the department basement computer lab with their trousers round their ankles 'modelling stress tests', they're still there.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Azure

I guess suddenly all those dirty plays are not important.

I guess they aren't, because I don't hear you and Red Menace and the others loudly crying about James Neal's participation. In fact, it does not appear that either of you has spoken a single word on the subject.

But to answer your question "why not"? How about because your whining in every single thread on the topic is as tedious as it is pointless? Yes, we all get that you guys hate fighters and hate Scott and hate the fact that his existence somehow cheapens an event that the best players in the world don't even want to attend in the first place.

So in a discussion focused on Scott as a person, you and Red Menace have to saunter into the thread and try to make it all about yourselves and your overzealous obsession

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I guess they aren't, because I don't hear you and Red Menace and the others loudly crying about James Neal's participation.

Yeah, this really needs to be emphasized. If you want to talk about dirty play, this guy's one of the worst offenders in the league, historically. And for that matter, would you guys similarly be up in arms about Duncan Keith playing in the ASG? Same deal there.

Let's back up a minute.

Originally Posted by Azure

How many players has Scott intentionally hurt over his career?

Good question. How many has he hurt?

I mean, point me to three truly dirty plays by John Scott? The only one that jumps immediately to mind is the Eriksson hit, and he apologized profusely for it and seemed genuinely contrite. Maybe I've just managed to miss the myriad incidents of dangerous play involving this guy (as opposed to general hockey-tough-guy behaviour which doesn't actually send anyone to the IR).

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I'm annoyed at a POS like Neal being named as a replacement, but I'm just so exhausted/bored by the events surrounding the ASG this year that I haven't felt like vocalizing it. At this point I can't wait until it's over so the topic can fade away into obscurity.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I just can't believe they named replacements and none of them were Coyotes players. Why on Earth would you name Neal instead of Domi, Duclair, Boedker or, hell, even Doan I guess.

[calgaryblood]

So what time are the skills competition at? Good job NHL with getting the information out. Had a quick glance on NHL.com and could not find it. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out the times of these events.

[Daryei]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Actually he's not really an active NHLer - he's playing for the St. John's IceCaps of the AHL.

Darn, I must have missed that fact, Captain Pedantic....

He was an active NHLer at the time of the vote. He won the popular vote as a member of the Coyotes. He was subsequently sent to the Springfield Falcons, traded to Montreal, told to report to the IceCaps.

...still was confirmed as a captain before the assignments to the AHL..

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I just can't believe they named replacements and none of them were Coyotes players. Why on Earth would you name Neal instead of Domi, Duclair, Boedker or, hell, even Doan I guess.

Because the Pacific division has a full roster.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

So what time are the skills competition at? Good job NHL with getting the information out. Had a quick glance on NHL.com and could not find it. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out the times of these events.

5pm!

NHL website is a jumbled mess.