Wideman Decision Expected Wednesday

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Yamer

You're really hung up on this aspect, but I think it's irrelevant.

Its not, first if you don't know the difference between a ref and a linesman you probably aren't qualified to judge a hockey incident. Secondly much of what I hear is that he was so mad about the lack of a call he attacked the REF. What is he mad about a missed offside?

[DJones]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The guy actually hit is taking it better than most on social media...He could have given the automatic 10 gamer after the game after reviewing the play and he did not.

When he gets 5-10 games now people are gonna be going crazy, many are calling for the whole season or a lifetime ban....so ridiculous

Was the ref that got hit allowed to go back at intermission and give him a penalty after the fact?

Seems like if he could his non-action speaks for itself.

[Hanna Sniper]

I think it was unintentional

But you have to send a message, unintentional or not, laying your hands on a official is unacceptable. Anything under 20 games would be to lenient in my view

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its not, first if you don't know the difference between a ref and a linesman you probably aren't qualified to judge a hockey incident. Secondly much of what I hear is that he was so mad about the lack of a call he attacked the REF. What is he mad about a missed offside?

Ref is a pretty general term used to cover all officials (a more industry-specific term), and would be a more common term used to designate the individual (especially with casual fans).

I realize the gist of your argument: namely thinking that he attacked a referee (not a linesman) as a measure of revenge for the non-call. However, as ref is such a blanket term for officials I don't believe it is necessary to discount their opinions (or call them stupid) out of an assumption that this is their position.

Moreover, it could be argued that if he was dazed yet still frustrated then it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility to think he simply looked for a striped shirt and missed the fact that Henderson did not have orange bands on his arms. Just for the record, I don't subscribe to this theory.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DJones

Was the ref that got hit allowed to go back at intermission and give him a penalty after the fact?

Seems like if he could his non-action speaks for itself.

Yes they are...they are allowed to review the incident AFTER the game and give the mandatory 10 gamer

[saillias]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The guy he actually hit is taking it better than most on social media...He could have given the automatic 10 gamer after the game after reviewing the play and he did not.

When he gets 5-10 games now people are gonna be going crazy, many are calling for the whole season or a lifetime ban....so ridiculous

Not sure about that. Maybe in the moment during the game, when he didn't really know what happened. Friedman reported that Wideman tried to contact him afterwards, e-mail, text call but there was no conversation. That doesn't sound like they are just buddy buddy laughing it off over a beer. And there are lawyers involved. I think you are overstating the role of social media here. It went viral because it looks intentional. Things were compounded by the ref being in the hospital.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by saillias

Not sure about that. Maybe in the moment during the game, when he didn't really know what happened. Friedman reported that Wideman tried to contact him afterwards, e-mail, text call but there was no conversation. That doesn't sound like they are just buddy buddy laughing it off over a beer. And there are lawyers involved. I think you are overstating the role of social media here. It went viral because it looks intentional. Things were compounded by the ref being in the hospital.

The official that had every right to review the play after the game and give him a mandatory suspension

others are involved now, he is probably being told to say nothing...this is the NHL after all

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I love how ridiculous the comparables are becoming in the media. What if it was an old man? What is an old man doing on the ice?
What if it were a box of puppies?
What if it was a marching band?

Who will stop Wideman's path of destruction?!?

It wasn't the media suggesting this.

“If Henderson had a Calgary jersey on do you think (Wideman) would have touched him?” one ex-ref asked. “If that was a lady standing there? An old man? Would he have hit him? There are a lot of excuses out there.”

Reasonable question, no?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

I think it was unintentional

But you have to send a message, unintentional or not, laying your hands on a official is unacceptable. Anything under 20 games would be to lenient in my view

The only way he could get 20 games or more is if he was deemed to deliberately engage in physical contact with Henderson with intent to injure. I don't see how that could be the case.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

It wasn't the media suggesting this.

“If Henderson had a Calgary jersey on do you think (Wideman) would have touched him?” one ex-ref asked. “If that was a lady standing there? An old man? Would he have hit him? There are a lot of excuses out there.”

Reasonable question, no?

thats the stupidest ####ing thing I have ever heard and illustrates what a witch hunt this has become (the ex-ref that is)

Why would a lady or an old man be....nevermind I see why this "ex-ref" didn't give his name

[FeyWest]

Like many are saying here, I don't think it was deliberate or malicious but it was an accident that happened and needs to have repercussions if only to keep reputation with everyone and the refs. Just like if you were to accidentally back into someones vehicle or rear end someone, you weren't intending it but it still happened and you have to pay the consequences. I think 5-10 will end up being the verdict it's kind of that mid region and fits the bill. I had voted 0 originally but hadn't looked at the rulebook at the time but can also understand the nomenclature of the rules regarding this case and 5-10 will more than likely be the case.

The other thing that's annoying and does nothing but stir the pot up is this whole strawman "Well what if it had been so-n-so?" argument. Guess what how 'bout we just deal with who it actually involved and leave it at that.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by dino7c

others are involved now, he is probably being told to say nothing...this is the NHL after all

That I can agree with, he's probably been told not to reply to any communication from Wideman.

With all the suits involved they will (hopefully) comb over every angle of video evidence from the incident, and the hit that Wideman received before the play.

I just hope Henderson doesn't have a concussion. If he does, adios Wideman.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by dino7c

When he gets 5-10 games now people are gonna be going crazy, many are calling for the whole season or a lifetime ban....so ridiculous

When you say "many", you actually mean "a very small percentage". How are you not aware that your consistent use of hyperbole and exaggeration is not helping your arguments at all?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

When you say "many", you actually mean "a very small percentage". How are you not aware that your consistent use of hyperbole and exaggeration is not helping your arguments at all?

I will GUARANTEE if you look at trending topics on twitter or facebook the VAST majority will call a 5-10 game suspension way too lenient

You can bump this on Tuesday

Go search Dennis Wideman on facebook...he is trending and full of "lifetime ban" "20 plus games" "criminal charges" ect.

I am not talking about a Calgary Flames message board I am saying on social media, trust me people are gonna lose it over a "short" suspension

[oilyfan]

What's wrong with poll above? The counts seem completely off.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

What's wrong with poll above? The counts seem completely off.

Apparently I voted for 0 when I meant 10

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I will GUARANTEE if you look at trending topics on twitter or facebook the VAST majority will call a 5-10 game suspension way too lenient

You can bump this on Tuesday

Go search Dennis Wideman on facebook...he is trending and full of "lifetime ban" "20 plus games" "criminal charges" ect.

Yeah I gotta back up Dino7C on this one,

Reading some of the posts on reddit/facebook. People are calling for Wideman's head and wanting the NHL to ban him for life, assault charges.

The x929 page was almost unbearable with the amount of people wanting the book thrown at him.

Here are some of the many comments,

In my opinion, the interview he gave after the game, this guy should be banned from hockey period, It was a deliberate cross check to the referee who had his back turned to him, and he skate off like nothing ever happened, He in the end should be charged with a criminal offence of intent to injure. Harsh, however the message needs to get thru to them NUMBSKULL GOON.

No excuses. A clear cross check, even appeared to leave his feet. Minimum 20 games or the season.

Charge him with assault

The fox news feed is even worse, I felt my brain melting reading it.

Lets share the pain.

He should be removed from the NHL. That was a gutless, blatant and an inexcusable action. He should also be charged with assault.

I'm a Preds fan, I was watching the game last night. It was obviously on purpose because he didn't even ask the ref if he was OK or anything. He pushed the guy down, then went and sat on the bench as if nothing happened. The ref stayed down, and the player remained sitting. This man should get BANNED from the NHL. Not suspended.

They suspend Raffi Torres 41 games for a hit to the head (of a fellow player wearing equipment) and this guy literally mows down a referee intentionally with his stick and a POSSIBLE 20 games? Are you freaking kidding me?

"Suspended indefinitely"?? That SOB Wideman should be banned from ever playing hockey in the NHL again. This kind of thing in sports must not be tolerated. Also, what kind of example is this for Children who look up to these professional athletes?

I don't have enough time to wade through all the comments from Wideman but if you search the trending topics on facebook, you'll find thousands of these comments.

[dino7c]

Fox News talked about it yesterday...the day of the republican debate and the host questioned if he deserved to ever play again. One guy tweeted that he saw a player try to kill a soccer ref before but at least it wasn't from behind.

[sun]

He'll probably get suspended due to optics, though I think there is roughly zero chance it was intentional. He's had a rough year, but he's not an imbecile. I don't even think he was necessarily "woozy" from the hit. A red herring of sorts maybe.

It's simple. He didn't see something... and then he did. Happens every game. Just so happened to be an official he collided with and I guess you should be a little more aware of where they are on the ice. He thought the linesman would be in one place when he started skating for a change (the play was going up the ice) and then suddenly he wasn't (the play quickly reversed). He'll get a handful of games, especially if the linesman ends up with a concussion, but there is no motive nor intent.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

What's wrong with poll above? The counts seem completely off.

The poll changed.. it says that I voted, and I did when it was "Is he going to be suspended". I haven't since, and still can't for any of the new options.