The New American Politics thread

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by nik-

you mean the Lame Stream Media?

I mean that I expect this to be top headlines for left leaning media in the same way rumblings of an upcoming indictment against Jeb Bush would be a top story for Fox.

Again, it's rumours at this point. However the rumours are coming from people with credibility.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I don't know, I think if something like this were on the horizon other news outlets would be all over it right now.

Who knows, maybe your sources are right. I just found it strange that there wasn't mention of this from more media outlets. Heck, Trump would be tweeting like crazy right now.

I think the reason it's flying under the radar at this point is because the ball has yet to drop, and there's really nothing to go on other than the word of a former house leader.

Where there's smoke there's fire however. IF this happens (or doesn't) based on Lynch's recommendations, the implications are huge. Either way. Or maybe the FBI leaves her alone, which I doubt seeing as how she's already under investigation for corruption through the Clinton Foundation.

When this starts to gain traction I'm sure the GOP and Sanders will light her up.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Fair enough, you may be right. I do agree if something does happen her campaign will be in serious trouble.

Sanders might not have to campaign too hard this year.

[Lanny_McDonald]

This whole email scandal is so much bull####. This is a standard practice these days, started during the Bush administration when they pissed all over the concepts of open government and transparency. If you are going to nail Clinton for it you also have to nail the following who have also used private email servers.

Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, Chris Cristie, Rick Perry, and Bobby Jindal, just from the current crop running for President. Others that have use private email accounts while in office include Sarah Palin, Trey Gowdy (Benghazi Committee Chairman), Mitt Romney, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and on and on. This is not something new, just something that people are not aware of and it makes for salacious headlines.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by New Era

This whole email scandal is so much bull####. This is a standard practice these days, started during the Bush administration when they pissed all over the concepts of open government and transparency. If you are going to nail Clinton for it you also have to nail the following who have also used private email servers.

Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, Chris Cristie, Rick Perry, and Bobby Jindal, just from the current crop running for President. Others that have use private email accounts while in office include Sarah Palin, Trey Gowdy (Benghazi Committee Chairman), Mitt Romney, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and on and on. This is not something new, just something that people are not aware of and it makes for salacious headlines.

Give me a break.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by peter12

Give me a break.

A break about what exactly?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-...nts-1426205325
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...at-hillary-did
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...816_story.html
http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...ll-his-emails/
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/politi...acardi-emails/
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/05/3242...email-account/
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...307-story.html
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/tre...-server/22908/
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-cap...ks-release-any
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...rivate-account
http://www.texastribune.org/2015/03/...ter-clinton-r/
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...private-emails
http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonwe...e-house-emails
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/03...l-media-yawns/
http://www.salon.com/2015/03/12/the_...otten_partner/
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/...rss_topstories
http://harpers.org/blog/2008/01/the-...heney-deleted/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251398532
http://content.time.com/time/nation/...610414,00.html

And here's the laws that make all of these shenanigans highly questionable and illegal.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpo...ls-and-the-law

If you're going to piss and moan about about one official doing this, you have too piss and moan about all of them doing this. If it wasn't a problem for these other instances, it should not be a problem with this one.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Hillary may not be a choice, rumblings are that the FBI are preparing to indict her over mishandling of above top secret materials during her time as secretary of state. Her little flip flop empire may self destruct before Americans ever reach the polling stations.

Benghazi?

[DuffMan]

So, when asking Trump supporters why they support him, the usual answer is..." because he doesn't talk BS, and says what needs to be said".
Murika.

[Senator Clay Davis]

If Trump's thing outrates the debate, I imagine he'll be very humble about it.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by New Era

This whole email scandal is so much bull####. This is a standard practice these days, started during the Bush administration when they pissed all over the concepts of open government and transparency. If you are going to nail Clinton for it you also have to nail the following who have also used private email servers.

Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, Chris Cristie, Rick Perry, and Bobby Jindal, just from the current crop running for President. Others that have use private email accounts while in office include Sarah Palin, Trey Gowdy (Benghazi Committee Chairman), Mitt Romney, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and on and on. This is not something new, just something that people are not aware of and it makes for salacious headlines.

You forgot to mention O'Malley.

So nail them all to the wall, no argument here. That doesn't change the here and now however.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

You forgot to mention O'Malley.

So nail them all to the wall, no argument here. That doesn't change the here and now however.

I left off several from both sides of the aisle. I wanted to make sure that the hypocrisy of the charges were evident.

[peter12]

Don't pretend this isn't an issue because other politicians have done it too.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by peter12

Don't pretend this isn't an issue because other politicians have done it too.

So why is Hillary the only one being considered for indictment?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by peter12

Don't pretend this isn't an issue because other politicians have done it too.

Don't pretend this focus on Clinton's emails is anything but politically motivated. If it were not politically motivated we would be talking about the mechanism itself and why it is reprehensible. You wouldn't just point to Clinton, you would point to the others and say how wrong it is. But you don't care about the mechanism, otherwise you would have introduced the law and the list of transgressors yourself. This is all about politics and attack politics.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by New Era

Don't pretend this focus on Clinton's emails is anything but politically motivated. If it were not politically motivated we would be talking about the mechanism itself and why it is reprehensible. You wouldn't just point to Clinton, you would point to the others and say how wrong it is. But you don't care about the mechanism, otherwise you would have introduced the law and the list of transgressors yourself. This is all about politics and attack politics.

She was Secretary of State when it happened. She is also being accused of using that position as a leverage to funnel government contracts, and facilitate donations to the Clinton Foundation. How do you not see this as a major issue?

As the Real Clear Politics piece made clear, senior intelligence officers have been indicted for far, far less.

Justice for one, justice for all. Fine. Start with Hilary Clinton.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by peter12

She was Secretary of State when it happened. She is also being accused of using that position as a leverage to funnel government contracts, and facilitate donations to the Clinton Foundation. How do you not see this as a major issue?

As the Real Clear Politics piece made clear, senior intelligence officers have been indicted for far, far less.

Justice for one, justice for all. Fine. Start with Hilary Clinton.

Again, zero focus on the mechanism itself, just a focus on an individual and what the accusations leveled by others for political gain. If there was an indictable offense there, she would have been indicted by now. Congressional Republicans have been doing their best to nail her with something and failed miserably.

Again, if you want to focus on the mechanism you can point to the hypocrisy of Trey Gowdy and his similar behaviors with a private email, to show just how much bull#### is involved in this issue. Let's change tack on this for a moment. Maybe you can tell me where the issues are with the whole private email thing. Why it is wrong and what exactly are the problems others it? Take the personalities out of the mix and tell me what is wrong and illegal? Then maybe we can discuss who should be the first trotted up to the town square to be publicly flogged.

[CroFlames]

I like what Bernie has to say. I officially endorse him.

I hope he shrinks the military too.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by New Era

Again, zero focus on the mechanism itself, just a focus on an individual and what the accusations leveled by others for political gain. If there was an indictable offense there, she would have been indicted by now. Congressional Republicans have been doing their best to nail her with something and failed miserably.

Again, if you want to focus on the mechanism you can point to the hypocrisy of Trey Gowdy and his similar behaviors with a private email, to show just how much bull#### is involved in this issue. Let's change tack on this for a moment. Maybe you can tell me where the issues are with the whole private email thing. Why it is wrong and what exactly are the problems others it? Take the personalities out of the mix and tell me what is wrong and illegal? Then maybe we can discuss who should be the first trotted up to the town square to be publicly flogged.

See the article that I posted on the last page. That summarized my position quite well.

It blows my mind how anyone but the most partisan-blinded Democrat could be in favour of another Clinton presidency. Absolutely zero understanding of political history in the United States.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by peter12

See the article that I posted on the last page. That summarized my position quite well.

It blows my mind how anyone but the most partisan-blinded Democrat could be in favour of another Clinton presidency. Absolutely zero understanding of political history in the United States.

I think (at least for me) its less 'in favour' of a Clinton presidency and more "Holy s*** those people on the other side are insane. Literally insane. They are crazy people saying crazy things. We have to stop that."

If Clinton ends up being the other nominee, what choice is there?

[peter12]

Given what we know about the Clintons, I would honestly take Trump over her.