Wideman Decision Expected Wednesday

[powderjunkie]

Have only read a few pages of this thread, so perhaps it's been discussed, but the play and the puck are coming down the boards towards the incident; as it happens Wideman's head seems to be facing the Predator player with the puck.

The other thing I see is that his lower body seems to start moving to avoid the linesman a split second before his arms go up, indicating to me that it was more reactionary. I feel like his movements would have looked a bit different had it been fully deliberate.

Lastly, I presume Henderson wasn't hurt beyond having the wind knocked out of him? Henderson looks like a fairly big dude, but IMO if he were really trying to hit him he wouldn't have been able to immediately skate away from a total blindside hit.

I think a few games suspension would be fine, but I think they also should have applied to the Weber and Muzzin videos shown in the first few pages (and other similar incidents), as the officials deserve to be protected from careless accidents.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Have only read a few pages of this thread, so perhaps it's been discussed, but the play and the puck are coming down the boards towards the incident; as it happens Wideman's head seems to be facing the Predator player with the puck.

The other thing I see is that his lower body seems to start moving to avoid the linesman a split second before his arms go up, indicating to me that it was more reactionary. I feel like his movements would have looked a bit different had it been fully deliberate.

Lastly, I presume Henderson wasn't hurt beyond having the wind knocked out of him? Henderson looks like a fairly big dude, but IMO if he were really trying to hit him he wouldn't have been able to immediately skate away from a total blindside hit.

I think a few games suspension would be fine, but I think they also should have applied to the Weber and Muzzin videos shown in the first few pages (and other similar incidents), as the officials deserve to be protected from careless accidents.

Henderson is apparently in the hospital, believe I heard that on the fan today.

[oilyfan]

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/...ompletely-true

All excuses aside, here is the least fanciful interpretation of events, which no doubt Wideman’s defenders will dispute until blue in the face, if not longer:

Wideman got up from the hit, started skating the 60 or so feet to the Flames bench, tapped his stick on the ice to signal he was coming off for a line change, and had plenty of time, with his head now up, to see the back of Henderson and find a route around him. Zebras are quite well-marked, as you know. It’s hard to mistake them for anything else.

But he was royally ticked off after going head-first into the boards, and would have taken it out on any object, animate or otherwise, that blocked his route to the door.

It was a classic “get the bleep out of my way” cross-check. The larger mystery than why he wouldn’t merely bear-hug the linesman and move him aside is why there was no penalty on the play. If it had been a Predators player he hit like that, he’d have received at least a minor for cross-checking.

[TomLeeMC]

Was at the game last night. not sure if it was the Goose Island IPA on tap at the dome but had to watch the play again today to refresh my memory. Looks ugly, but I couldn't see it being intentional. Hope Henderson is alright if he is in the hospital.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Henderson is apparently in the hospital, believe I heard that on the fan today.

He went to the hospital for precautionary reasons and then was released.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Henderson is apparently in the hospital, believe I heard that on the fan today.

He went to the hospital after the game and was checked for a sore neck and given a concussion test (not sure of the result). This morning, it was said that he was released and is back at home.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

In what legal system does intent and who not matter? Both matter very much. One can literally alter the charges laid, while the other can influence the scentence.

Widemans track record should absolutely play a role in how much they want to give him the benefit of the doubt, and his potential scentence.

For the record, I don't buy his dazed and head down and didn't see him excuse. He looked wounded at first, but he'd had his head up for avenue before he hit the ref. Looked to me like a guy who got stung, was upset about it and had a tantrum when his route to the bench got blocked. He needs some sort of suspension cause he was unable to control his emotions and it resulted in him intentionally contacting an official. Have to be able to control your emotions.

How does who the charges are laid against change the charge? Minors? Sure.

And of course intent alters the length of sentence, but in either case he's guilty.

The video removes any benefit of doubt, as basically the entire hockey world minus 40% of Calgarypuck has already explained.

[renny]

Originally Posted by calculoso

This was in front of the Nashville bench, not the Flames bench. He completely veered towards the linesman and away from the straight line to the bench. He could have easily gone the other way.

Hands/stick up to protect? No excuse - we've seen suspensions for high sticks to the face in this same instance.

No he couldn't, the play was coming back the other way, take a look at the video, he swerved away from the nashville player coming back the other way.

i do think he'll get suspended though, it just won't be 10 games or whatever because it looks pretty much like an accident.

[driveway]

Wideman will get 10 games.

He was back on the ice 2:05 later, played the rest of the game, and the Flames did not have him undergo concussion protocols. That pretty much completely undermines any "bell rung" argument.

If you want to claim that he was, in fact, dazed as a result of the Salomaki hit to the point that he collided with an official he was unable to notice, then you're declaring the Flames were hugely negligent in letting him play the rest of the game, and that our medical and coaching staff should be, at the very least reprimanded and investigated, if not outright terminated.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I honestly don't know what to make of any of this anymore, but that might be the single stupidest thing I've seen a player do towards an official. Suspend him just for being stupid, please and thank you.

[Cambardi]

Let's talk about this Ad nauseam please. Only Slightly kidding for those who get overly excited about these short statements.

[pylon]

I'm still sticking with my opinion dude snapped and had a little tantrum episode. It was impulsive, but he still intended to do what he did in the heat of the moment. Rational people have done far stupider and much more impulsive things in the heat of the moment.

I just can't buy the didn't see him defense, when he was looking 70-80 feet up the ice. Pro athletes don't have the awareness of a 14 year old kid texting on a sidewalk, they are typically hyper aware of their surroundings.

[curves2000]

Question for those who may know more about the CBA than I do.

With Wideman being suspended indefinitely does this mean he is currently forfeiting salary? Or would his pay be held back if/once an official suspension has been handed down?

This is somewhat of a unique situation where he might have to wait at least a week before potentially serving any suspension so I am just trying to see if he misses out on a week's worth of earnings?

The majority of the suspensions that I have seen are usually handed down within a day or two and then the player forfeits the cash starting day 1 of the suspension. In this case Wideman might be waiting 6 days or so until he finds out his potential punishment.

Sorry about the financial question but this stuff kind of interests me.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Question for those who may know more about the CBA than I do.

With Wideman being suspended indefinitely does this mean he is currently forfeiting salary? Or would his pay be held back if/once an official suspension has been handed down?

This is somewhat of a unique situation where he might have to wait at least a week before potentially serving any suspension so I am just trying to see if he misses out on a week's worth of earnings?

The majority of the suspensions that I have seen are usually handed down within a day or two and then the player forfeits the cash starting day 1 of the suspension. In this case Wideman might be waiting 6 days or so until he finds out his potential punishment.

Sorry about the financial question but this stuff kind of interests me.

Financial losses from suspensions are based on whether or not you're repeat offender. If you aren't, you lose one day's pay for each game you're suspended. So a guy who gets suspended for 5 games and misses 2 weeks only really loses 5 days' pay.

If you are a repeat offender (supplemental discipline in the last 18 months, I believe), then you lose pay based on the suspension's portion of the total season. So a player with a 5 game suspension would lose 6% (5/82) of his annual pay.

So for Wideman, being suspended indefinitely has no real effect on his pay. The money he forfeits will be based solely on how many games he's suspended for.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Dion

They questioned why Wideman didn't stop to see if the linesman was okay. They went further to say that it looks bad when he skated around him after the hit and went to the bench acting as if nothing happened.

It will look bad for the NHL if Wideman isn't suspended.

He is hurt himself...he goes to the bench and is immediately working with the trainer. Social media has a lot to do with whats going on now

[pinnochio5]

Logging in for the first time in a few years to post to CP. I'm not gonna be surprised if we see this go to trial.

There is a good argument for and against his suspension, but I sincerely believe it was 100% an accident.

Before you read this, keep in mind, from the bottom of my heart I think Wideman is a useless defenseman who has only slowed down the Flames this year, I wanted him gone after the fourth game this season. This being said, I believe his hit on the official was accidental and not an act of retaliation.


Why Dennis Wideman Was Disoriented
(A) Watch the video at 0.5x speed at the point of impact where Wideman's head meets the boards. Three words. Blunt head trauma. It's almost painful to watch his hit; those hits (while unarguably clean) are the worst. When there's about 1/2 a metre in-between Wideman's body and the glass, after he gets hit he gains momentum before hitting the boards making a hit of this nature much worse than getting pinched against the boards. The concussion Wideman recieved had his brain violently move and hit his skull. This fact cannot be argued as fundemental physics law of motion tell us; "objects in motion tend to stay in motion".

Watch the video at slowed down speed to the point of impact between Wideman's head and the glass and reference it to this image of a concussion trauma, the same part of the head is in question:


(B) Frontal lobe damage. The pre-text of momentum aside, the glass had point of contact directly with the front of Wideman's head. The front of his brain being the frontal lobe, which at 32 years of age is fully developed. The frontal lobe is also responsible for almost all the reasoning we do as humans, and a great deal of our motor functioning.

(C) As he skates back (and in the time he stands back up on his feet) to the bench he is disoriented. Completely oblivious to the fact he is in a state of induced minor-concussion and unconsciousness for a small fraction of time.

(D) The official likely did not appear "fuzzy" as some people may have mentioned. But what did happen, was, as Wideman approached him his brain was unable to comprehend an alternative, i.e. stop or to go around him. He may have been in a state of "fight or flight response" and his only means of defence was to lift his arms above his head.



These are the few arguments I have for now.

[pinnochio5]

(E) Wideman acts as if nothing happened after he hits the official and on the bench because in his mind, nothing did happen. His brain at that point in time is not at a level of operation to realize what he did or emote sympathy. Just watching his glassy-eyed gaze as he sits on the bench proves this, it is of a man who is not himself.

He does begin to come-to towards the end of the clip.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by pinnochio5

Logging in for the first time in a few years to post to CP. I'm not gonna be surprised if we see this go to trial.

There is a good argument for and against his suspension, but I sincerely believe it was 100% an accident.

Before you read this, keep in mind, from the bottom of my heart I think Wideman is a useless defenseman who has only slowed down the Flames this year, I wanted him gone after the fourth game this season. This being said, I believe his hit on the official was accidental and not an act of retaliation.


Why Dennis Wideman Was Disoriented
(A) Watch the video at 0.5x speed at the point of impact where Wideman's head meets the boards. Three words. Blunt head trauma. It's almost painful to watch his hit; those hits (while unarguably clean) are the worst. When there's about 1/2 a metre in-between Wideman's body and the glass, after he gets hit he gains momentum before hitting the boards making a hit of this nature much worse than getting pinched against the boards. The concussion Wideman recieved had his brain violently move and hit his skull. This fact cannot be argued as fundemental physics law of motion tell us; "objects in motion tend to stay in motion".

Watch the video at slowed down speed to the point of impact between Wideman's head and the glass and reference it to this image of a concussion trauma, the same part of the head is in question:


(B) Frontal lobe damage. The pre-text of momentum aside, the glass had point of contact directly with the front of Wideman's head. The front of his brain being the frontal lobe, which at 32 years of age is fully developed. The frontal lobe is also responsible for almost all the reasoning we do as humans, and a great deal of our motor functioning.

(C) As he skates back (and in the time he stands back up on his feet) to the bench he is disoriented. Completely oblivious to the fact he is in a state of induced minor-concussion and unconsciousness for a small fraction of time.

(D) The official likely did not appear "fuzzy" as some people may have mentioned. But what did happen, was, as Wideman approached him his brain was unable to comprehend an alternative, i.e. stop or to go around him. He may have been in a state of "fight or flight response" and his only means of defence was to lift his arms above his head.



These are the few arguments I have for now.

I think we need to open up a CP Kangaroo court and do a trial

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Pinocchio that is a fascinating analysis and provides a great explanation for why he may have had a concussion and how it may have affected him.

[nfotiu]

I've watched it a bunch of times, read alll that everyone says, and I can say is I'm glad I'm not the one to have to judge him, because I really have no idea if it was a complete accident and reflex action, an intentional act against whatever person or thing was in front of him, a dazed and confused out of body experience, mistaking the linesmen for a predator, or an intentional act against the official. I think the last in my list is the most unlikely, but I could be convinced of any of those.