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Old 01-26-2016, 09:49 AM   #641
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Man would I ever love to see a Tinordi - SeeGeeWhy debate on this topic. Tinordi, you up for the challenge?
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It sucks to see our Province shat upon by other leaders and it would be great to retaliate but pipelines are a Federal matter. Alberta is better of by showing restraint now rather than being punished for our petulance later on in the process. Even if B.C. and Quebec are not punished for their petulance, Alberta most definitely would be punished.
That's why its up to our Prime Minister to step up and get this sorted out now.

I find it funny that you used the term punished when it comes to Alberta, its not like we haven't seen that before.
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:52 AM   #643
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A post on Earth First Newswire, an environmental activist website, described the latest action.
"Our hearts were bursting with love and cheer after hearing of the many times our friends have courageously shut down pipelines in recent months," it said.
"So, in the early hours of January 25, 2016 we found our own courage and took action against Enbridge and their Line 9. Slipping in to a valve station located on traditional Haudenosaunee Territory (in Hamilton, Ontario) we successfully operated an electronic valve to shut off the flow of tarsands crude. A Line 7 valve, also an Enbridge tarsands pipeline, was also tampered with and closed part way. We then disappeared back into the night."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...idge-1.3419910

Charge these morons. They admit to criminal activities on their website. Throw them all in jail, this kind of thing is super dangerous.
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Charge these morons. They admit to criminal activities on their website. Throw them all in jail, this kind of thing is super dangerous.
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Why are we letting BC, ONT, and QUE companies to do business in AB tax free.

Every product from BC that goes through AB should require a fee to get across the border, assuming you can do it constitutionally.
That would be great, though I don't know if it is even legal to do the way yourself and CC propose. I also don't know if it would get mired in procedure and take years to implement even if it was legal.

What Albertans CAN do, however, which doesn't require our government to do anything for us (not like we are holding our breath hoping that they actually would) is to boycott goods coming from Quebec. Stop buying their maple syrup and buy Ontarian. Stop buying their Bombardier products, there are alternatives. Stop buying beer from their breweries. It might sound insignificant, but if every Albertan who feels slighted by Quebec's stance on this pipeline stopped buying their goods, it WOULD have an impact, and it would be a bigger one than a gov't imposed tax would.

edit: The boycott idea already mentioned that I didn't see before posting it. Great minds think alike!

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Check out the possibly NSFW photo on the news story...
http://earthfirstjournal.org/newswir...tampered-with/
That's a real nice thing you did with your kid there.
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:55 AM   #647
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Charge these morons. They admit to criminal activities on their website. Throw them all in jail, this kind of thing is super dangerous.
Just wait until they cause a massive disaster and round up the whole lot.
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:56 AM   #648
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Probably, like I said, I'm not serious about it.

The execution would be more along the lines of taxing things in alberta that are BC or Quebec made products.

Probably the most effective message would come from the consumers here, in that they boycott those products.

Except for Quebec Strippers, they're more then welcome.
If you are transporting lumber across AB to the ROC, can we collect a toll on that?
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Nope you round them all up and sentence them to hard labor working on the rigs in Northern Alberta.

What they've described is a criminal act and incredibly dangerous. Basically if you're going to class a group as environmental terrorists, its Earth First who's blog and handbooks lay out sabotage guidelines including the use of explosive devices devices.

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Earth First! (EF!) is a “warrior society” that takes a “by any means necessary” approach to “defending mother earth.” The group declines to participate in the democratic process, preferring instead to damage, disable, and destroy the property of its ever-growing list of enemies. EF! targets include, but are by no means limited to, loggers, ranchers, and farmers — especially those who grow genetically modified crops. Earth First!ers’ crimes include assault, arson, and untold acts of sabotage.
Before he quit in the late 1980s, the driving force behind EF! was a man named Dave Foreman. His book Ecodefense: A Field Guide To Monkeywrenching is a how-to for environmental saboteurs. It includes nine chapters of instructions on subjects ranging from tree spiking to destroying roads, from disabling equipment to making smoke bombs. Rodney Coronado, an Earth First! zealot who was sentenced to 57 months in federal prison following a string of arsons, calls the book “our bible.”
Ted Turner figured out how to deal with these hypocrites

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This non-organization, which preaches “no compromise in defense of mother earth,” is very much aware of who pays the bills. The Washington Times reports that Atlanta media mogul Ted Turner, who has personally contributed to radical environmental groups, gets a free pass from EF! militants:
While a timber-cutting operation was under way on one of his [Turner’s] ranches in 1998, members of the radical environmental group Earth First! instead protested timber cutting on a nearby ranch owned by Zachary Taylor, said private investigator Barry R. Clausen, who spent a year undercover at EarthFirst.
He asked a protester why the group did not include take on [sic] Mr. Turner, Mr. Clausen said, and was told: “We cannot. That’s where our money comes from.”
Mr. Clausen, author of “Burning Rage,” an investigation of domestic terrorism, said environmental groups’ nickname for Mr. Turner is “Daddy Greenbucks.”
“Ted Turner has canned hunts where you can shoot a buffalo … and drilling … in New Mexico and clear-cutting trees and he never gets protested. And when you ask why, it’s because he is one of the biggest contributors to extremist groups,” Mr. Clausen said.




https://www.activistfacts.com/organi...1-earth-first/
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Old 01-26-2016, 10:08 AM   #650
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Man would I ever love to see a Tinordi - SeeGeeWhy debate on this topic. Tinordi, you up for the challenge?
Based on what I have seen from both posters I don't think they are occupy positions opposite to each other.

As far as I can remember SeeGeeWhy seems to be a big proponent of nuclear power and so does Tinordi.
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I have a friend who did his masters degree in environmental science. He said to me the other day: "I mean, let's just replace all fossil fuels with renewable energy. It's so simple but it's BS oil companies and politicians won't let that happen. So we have to protest the pipelines."

I repeat, he has a masters degree in environmental science.
Spoken like a 4th grader.
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If you are transporting lumber across AB to the ROC, can we collect a toll on that?
I think the Constitution of this country pretty much guarantees the free and unfettered transport and exchange of goods inter provincially.
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Tinordi is lukewarm on nuclear power and thinks SeeGeeWhy hasn't really afforded renewable energy an honest and recent assessment.

Most of SGW's points on renewables are from 5-7 years ago which leads me to believe he hasn't kept pace with what's been happening in renewble energy.

If he actually took a deep dive like what he probably did 5 years ago on renewables he'd have different conclusions.
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I think the Constitution of this country pretty much guarantees the free and unfettered transport and exchange of goods inter provincially.
There are all sorts of inter-provincial trade barriers.
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There are all sorts of inter-provincial trade barriers.
IIRC most of those are based around safe transport and content rules though.

But I could be wrong.
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There are all sorts of inter-provincial trade barriers.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle24952789/

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“As a legal matter, even though they can regulate locally, the provinces have no constitutional authority to prevent the flow of goods and services across provincial boundaries,” he added.
What does it mean by prevent?

If you tax something at like 600% you are technically not preventing it from being sold in another province. You can still buy it, just at a higher cost.
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Booze is the big one I can think of, but there are others:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle24952789/
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First, I will admit I voted NDP, so I accept responsibility for my actions.

Second, I agree the NDP should be doing more than what they are from an energy standpoint.

What I would like to know is why aren't we seeing more from the Liberal's at the Federal level regarding pushing pipeline progress? I heard on the CBC this morning that Trudeau was quoted saying something along the lines of saying it's not up to him to convince Canadians on Energy East, it on TransCanada to do so. Surely the Liberal's must see that it's good for ALL of Canada to get more Canadian oil out into the global markets?

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