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madmike · 01-26-2016, 06:43 AM

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I'm not just on CalgaryPuck, and I'm growing increasingly angry. Don't I have a right to after last year?

It's irrational, sure, but it's anger.

I'm more indifferent than angry. I just don't watch as many games.

Looch City · 01-26-2016, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by madmike

I'm more indifferent than angry. I just don't watch as many games.

Same, at this point a win or a loss is a "meh who cares".

Poe969 · 01-26-2016, 06:54 AM

I like Ferland a lot but I don't think he's untouchable. If the right deal came along, I'd consider trading him. Gio won't be traded any time soon, for multiple reasons; I think he's the teams leader and he leads by example. He still seems to be battling an injury but he's still really good and when he's at 100% I think he's extremely good. Frolik just signed here and he's fit in amazingly, I think he can play second line or third line and not look out of place. I think Stajan gets a bad rap, he fills the 4th line role really well and adds a decent veteran presence. I'd rather get rid of Backlund than Stajan at this point because you'd get more by trading Backlund and I don't think either of them have a real future with the team. I'd also lump Smid in the same category as Engeland because they're basically the same IMO. Smid brings more in some aspects and Engeland in others and I wouldn't mind either on the bottom pairing. I don't think Wideman is useless, I think he's in a funk (a really bad one) but I still think he has value. I don't think it's a lot of value but I think BT will find a way to capitalize on that value.

Krovikan · 01-26-2016, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

I like Ferland a lot but I don't think he's untouchable.

Problem is the right deal won't come along, Ferland is at a crossroads where he either becomes top 6 materiel or stays a bottom 6. But, no one will pay for his potential so we are better off keeping him as what we could get (draft pick) we would be hoping that pick became what he is. Too early to divest in Ferland, day will come if he maintains bottom 6

Poe969 · 01-26-2016, 07:05 AM

I don't think he has a lot of trade value on his own but I think he has "throw in" value. If the Flames are making a deal for Hamonic and the Isles insist on getting Ferland in the deal, you don't say no because Ferland is untouchable.

Erick Estrada · 01-26-2016, 07:12 AM

Ferland untouchable? When did this guy become some super prospect? I'm not convinced he's even going to be a full time NHL player in his career let alone untouchable. I would have no issue throwing him in any trade as a spare part.

Krovikan · 01-26-2016, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

I don't think he has a lot of trade value on his own but I think he has "throw in" value. If the Flames are making a deal for Hamonic and the Isles insist on getting Ferland in the deal, you don't say no because Ferland is untouchable.

Not because he is untouchable; however we need Ferland potential more then Hamonic. So I wouldn't, do that deal. I would do a a similar deal if a youngish #1 RW and they wanted Ferland back to cover the loss. Problem is what is the + most of what we want to give up has next to no value. Only value I see is Hudler as it is one down year so Hudler + Ferland + pick for #1 mid 20s RW.

Other issue I see with Ferland is he is the only one that has been able to consistently keep up with Johnny and Monny this year on the RW. Everyone else has been thinking the game too slow.

So while not untouchable, just don't see how a deal could happen.

bubbsy · 01-26-2016, 07:20 AM

May be a tough deadline for the flames from a forward perspective with forwards like Stamkos, Staal, laad, droiun to a lesser extent potentially being moved.

I was really hoping the Habs picked up Hudler , especially when price was initially out and they should have recognized the need for more offensive talent. I still think there are playoff or playoff hopeful teams out there that need some secondary skill (preds, ducks, maybe the blues, among others) that look to Hudler.

Would folks be willing to take Callahan off the lightening if he was bundled in with something else. His numbers are terrible this year and he's signed for few more years at an unenviable number but he could fill a need for the flames rw position.

PeteMoss · 01-26-2016, 07:20 AM

Player A - 25 years old, 6ft 1in - 31 pts in 91 career NHL games - 0.34 PPG
Player B - 23 years old, 6ft 2in - 13 pts in 63 career NHL games - 0.21 PPG

A is Josh Jooris, B is Ferland. One gets scratched and barely plays, the other is somehow untouchable because of one six game stretch where he played well.

bubbsy · 01-26-2016, 07:23 AM

Thanks for reminding me. Hope jooris is moved this deadline also ☺

Tinordi · 01-26-2016, 07:30 AM

Really should have tried to trade Hudler at the deadline last year. Oh well. Hindsight and all, but man, when a guy has that strong of a career outlying season you should really be selling high.

IamNotKenKing · 01-26-2016, 07:46 AM

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Really should have tried to trade Hudler at the deadline last year. Oh well. Hindsight and all, but man, when a guy has that strong of a career outlying season you should really be selling high.

No. You can't always sell high. Despite his poor year thus far, you need to keep veterans around, especially during a "learning" year like last year. The benefit of the playoff taste outweighs the return.

Poe969 · 01-26-2016, 07:48 AM

Agreed. I don't think he should have been traded at the deadline but instead in the off season. I liked the idea of keeping both him and Wideman for the playoffs but BT should have tried to move them this past summer. Who knows, he could have tried and teams just wanted to wait and see.

shotinthebacklund · 01-26-2016, 07:49 AM

as much as I like Backlund ( and I do) I think he may be the logical player to move if the right offer presents itself. Its time to move on from Granlund, Talented but has gone stagnant.

Tinordi · 01-26-2016, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

No. You can't always sell high. Despite his poor year thus far, you need to keep veterans around, especially during a "learning" year like last year. The benefit of the playoff taste outweighs the return.

My bad, I meant to type the draft. I don't think we should have traded him at the deadline.

flambers · 01-26-2016, 07:54 AM

Player who has value, and a decision has to made is Kris Russell.

Flames need to decide if they will resign or will they trade him.

Same thing with Ramo and Hudler.

Hackey · 01-26-2016, 07:58 AM

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Agreed. I don't think he should have been traded at the deadline but instead in the off season. I liked the idea of keeping both him and Wideman for the playoffs but BT should have tried to move them this past summer. Who knows, he could have tried and teams just wanted to wait and see.

Wideman I think he may have tried. Hudler on the other hand I think he would be hesitant on. Team makes the 2nd round and we trade our highest scorer? Just seems like there would have been quite a bit of backlash over that move. Guess the return might have calmed people down depending on what it was. Personally I would have had no issue with it but I feel like overall a good number of fans would have been pissed. Even though Treliving shouldn't really consider this all that much I'm sure the organization does to some degree.

Fire of the Phoenix · 01-26-2016, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Ferland untouchable? When did this guy become some super prospect? I'm not convinced he's even going to be a full time NHL player in his career let alone untouchable. I would have no issue throwing him in any trade as a spare part.

We get it. You don't think much of Ferland. You've probably made 20+ posts to that effect. At this point you should change your avatar to a picture of Ferland with an X over his face.

Poe969 · 01-26-2016, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by flambers

Player who has value, and a decision has to made is Kris Russell.

Flames need to decide if they will resign or will they trade him.

Same thing with Ramo and Hudler.

IMO they should all be shopped and not re-signed. Russell will want too much moving forward, Hudler will likely look to cash in as well and Ramo is just...Ramo. The only way I'd re-sign Ramo is if it was a very very small contract as a backup.

JohnnyB · 01-26-2016, 08:35 AM

They should sign Ramo. He's not the problem. He's shown he can be good in a split role and has given the team solid goaltending since putting the awful three-goalie start behind. He may not be a bonafide number one, but going into July with zero goalies could end up with an even more troublesome start to next season than they had this year with three.