2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Dan403]

The last time the Leafs won a cup I was 2 or 3 months old.

I've had grey curlies in my tighty whities for a long time...

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Dan403

The last time the Leafs won a cup I was 2 or 3 months old.

I've had grey curlies in my tighty whities for a long time...

Always with the pubes around here....

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by getbak

Could be.

Although, if his true intention is to sign with the Leafs on July 1, any trade he'd be willing to accept would just be a short-term rental for the rest of the season.

The only reason for him to accept a trade somewhere else would be if it gives him a better chance of a long playoff run and a shot at the Cup. Tampa went to the Final last year and are in a decent playoff position right now. He really has no incentive to disrupt his life and move to a new city for a couple of months for what would be at best a slight improvement in his chance to win the Cup.

If his true intention is to go to the Leafs its really in his best interest to just sign with Toronto rather than allow a trade.

A trade will weaken the position of the team that he wants to join.

It would be much better for him to have another playoff run, and then jump ship.

Fans would blast him if he did that, but he is well within his rights to do such a thing, and there wouldn't be a single thing wrong with that.

If I were a fan of Tampa I'd probably be irate, but he doesn't owe them anything beyond this season.

[handgroen]

nothing quite like coming on to a flames message board and posting 20 times in a row about the leafs, you know...cause nobody asked...eh bigtuna?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

HAHAHAHAHAHA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

It's true though. Leafs might have a horrible roster but with Nylander, Marner, Sparks, Kapanen, BRacco, Dermott, they do have a (perceived) top 5 prospect group (though Philly's would probably edge them out.) If the Leafs add a top 4 pick (Matthews/Finns/Chychrun) they'll probably jump to #1 this offseason.

Having the best prospect group means nothing though. the Oilers and Sabres have laid claim to that status the last handful of years. We've had a perceived **** prospect group yet we've churned out guys like Brodie and Gaudreau on the other hand.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It's true though. Leafs might have a horrible roster but with Nylander, Marner, Sparks, Kapanen, BRacco, Dermott, they do have a top 5 prospect group (though Philly's would probably edge them out.) If the Leafs add a top 4 pick (Matthews/Finns/Chychrun) they'll probably jump to #1 this offseason.

Having the best prospect group means nothing though. the Oilers and Sabres have laid claim to that status the last handful of years.

Nylander and Marner are the only notables there. The rest are the types of prospects easily found on every team throughout the NHL.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by nik-

Whatever he is, he's probably the most successful troll on this site. In the traditional sense of the internet term.

So many people bite on his posts, it's hilarious.

Could you imagine catching that thing!?!?!?!?! That's a Big Tuna!

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Nylander and Marner are the only notables there. The rest are the types of prospects easily found on every team throughout the NHL.

Yeah but why are they ranked by everyone as one of the best prospect pools though?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Yeah but why are they ranked by everyone as one of the best prospect pools though?

Two words: Click bate

[heep223]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Yeah but why are they ranked by everyone as one of the best prospect pools though?

Leafs are the Oilers of the East. Enjoy!

[GoJetsGo]

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Two words: Click bate

2 years ago that same site had them in the bottom 5. Was it click-bait then?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

2 years ago that same site had them in the bottom 5. Was it click-bait then?

Did you still click on it? Pretty much everything Leaf related is.

Regardless, as the banner above signifies, not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

The Leafs suck (perhaps the most in all of pro sports relative to their brand power / net worth), and have for nearly half a century. It's comical.

There's no pats on the back waiting for you here no matter what desperate, premature outlook you try to cherry pick.

Dial down the bragging a notch, and come talk to us when they actually accomplish something.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Yeah but why are they ranked by everyone as one of the best prospect pools though?

I don't know. Eastern bias? Or maybe it's just click bait for frenzied Leaf fans who gobble up every bit of page filler as long as it's about the Leafs? It's not like there's anything else to talk about in Leaf nation, they might as well hype a bunch of dime a dozen prospects.

If guys like Sparks, Kapanen, Dermott and Bracco were on other teams, I don't think you would have nearly as high of an opinion of them. They're classic B prospects that everybody gets from using draft picks outside of the top 20. They are the equivalent of Ortio, Poirier, Andersson, and Klimchuk, prospects who are 50/50 to become depth players with a very outside shot at being anything more. Excuse me if I don't salivate over guys like that, I've been watching hockey long enough to know that most of those types of players simply won't make it. It's not a video game where everyone hits their preassigned 'potential', there is something called reality that should be taken into account.

Another factor you seem to conveniently ignore is that other teams have had their prospects graduate, while the young Leafs aren't good enough to break into the league yet. If Nylander graduated to the NHL this year, I'm not sure their pool would be considered 'one of the best'. Just like how our pool would look multitudes better if Bennett was not good enough for the NHL. At some point it's a good thing to empty out the farm system. Maybe one day you'll see that with your own team.

[SofaProfessor]

The last few pages of this trade discussion/rumours thread is one mention of Stamkos and his NMC then a whole lot of arguing about prospect pools of players who have yet to play any meaningful time in the NHL and don't appear to be involved in any trades or trade rumours.

5 stars all around.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I don't know. Eastern bias? Or maybe it's just click bait for frenzied Leaf fans who gobble up every bit of page filler as long as it's about the Leafs? It's not like there's anything else to talk about in Leaf nation, they might as well hype a bunch of dime a dozen prospects.

If guys like Sparks, Kapanen, Dermott and Bracco were on other teams, I don't think you would have nearly as high of an opinion of them. They're classic B prospects that everybody gets from using draft picks outside of the top 20. They are the equivalent of Ortio, Poirier, Andersson, and Klimchuk, prospects who are 50/50 to become depth players with a very outside shot at being anything more. Excuse me if I don't salivate over guys like that, I've been watching hockey long enough to know that most of those types of players simply won't make it. It's not a video game where everyone hits their preassigned 'potential', there is something called reality that should be taken into account.

Another factor you seem to conveniently ignore is that other teams have had their prospects graduate, while the young Leafs aren't good enough to break into the league yet. If Nylander graduated to the NHL this year, I'm not sure their pool would be considered 'one of the best'. Just like how our pool would look multitudes better if Bennett was not good enough for the NHL. At some point it's a good thing to empty out the farm system. Maybe one day you'll see that with your own team.

You can give me all the conspiracy theories you want but until the past year or two before they concentrated on the draft, everyone had the Leafs ranked as one of the worst prospect pools. Why would they do that if it's so important to get hits? Is this just something that started coincidentally when their prospect pool actually did get better?

The reality is, guys like Bracco Timashov,Dermott ARE very good considering where they were drafted and the production they are putting-up. They are not being overrated at all. In fact, Andrew Neilson is an Alberta boy who looks very good this year for the spot he was taken.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

You can give me all the conspiracy theories you want but until the past year or two before they concentrated on the draft, everyone had the Leafs ranked as one of the worst prospect pools. Why would they do that if it's so important to get hits? Is this just something that started coincidentally when their prospect pool actually did get better?

The reality is, guys like Bracco Timashov,Dermott ARE very good considering where they were drafted and the production they are putting-up. They are not being overrated at all. In fact, Andrew Neilson is an Alberta boy who looks very good this year for the spot he was taken.

Yes, yes, the Leafs have it all figured out this time. Ignore the last few decades of results, those players were clearly outliers. I'm sure we'll look back in 10 years and marvel at the Stanley Cup core that was drafted by the Leafs over the last three years.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by SofaProfessor

The last few pages of this trade discussion/rumours thread is one mention of Stamkos and his NMC then a whole lot of arguing about prospect pools of players who have yet to play any meaningful time in the NHL and don't appear to be involved in any trades or trade rumours.

5 stars all around.

It wasn't guys speculating about prospect trade value was it?

[nik-]

[Poe969]

I might pay to start a Toronto puck site just so he stays there.

Unless your talking about the leafs trading those prospects, get on topic.