[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Eberle? I don't see how Tampa can add a $6M salary with the raises needed for their young players coming up. Yak does make sense though

Only if Drouin was a defenseman.

But he's a forward that doesn't even like to play defense. Oilers have enough of that. Flames can have him.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Eberle? I don't see how Tampa can add a $6M salary with the raises needed for their young players coming up. Yak does make sense though

How does that makes sense for Tampa when they are set on the wing and have already stated they're looking for D?

Yakupov is quickly approaching bust territory. Might make sense for Edmonton to want to do that swap, but don't see why Tampa would want to touch it with a ten foot pole.

[Split98]

Oilers trading for Drouin world be hilarious

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[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Eberle? I don't see how Tampa can add a $6M salary with the raises needed for their young players coming up. Yak does make sense though

Maybe if they add Nurse as well. Yak has little trade value unless a team views him as a reclamation project.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Value wise, I think Yakupov for Drouin would be pretty close.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

You answered your own question. Why would Cooper and YZerman act irrationally? They want to win. They WANT Drouin to be the best player he can be and give him every advantage to do so. Why would they do otherwise? It's in their best interest to help Drouin be the best. In their hockey experience, they thought the AHL route was best for his development. And for the vast majority of players, that holds true.

Drouin seems to think he's above the system, and the minors are below him. The kid needs to smarten up.

No, I didn't answer my own question. All the reasons you point to as motivation for Cooper / Yzerman acting rationally are just as applicable to Drouin. You just choose to dismiss them for the youngster and assume irrationality on his behalf because... Cooper/Yzerman can't be acting irrationally.

Has he said "he's above the system"? No. Is asking for a trade away from a team confirmation of irrational behaviour? No. I could just as easily cast aspersions towards Cooper / Yzerman if we've no need to back them up, akin to the old "have you stopped beating your wife?" trope. What has Cooper done to prove he has not been a "delta bravo" towards this kid?

To be honest, this isn't so much about Drouin vs Yzerman/Cooper but more about people filling their own preferred narrative in the absence of facts.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Eberle? I don't see how Tampa can add a $6M salary with the raises needed for their young players coming up. Yak does make sense though

There would probably be some other contracts moved to balance out the dollars, but I think this is something that could work for both teams. Eberle and Davidson ($6.6M) for Drouin and Carle ($6.4M).

[Heavy Jack]

Peter Chiarelli: So Steve this is where we are at. For your terribly managed 3rd overall you cant have our first terribly managed 1st overall pick... He's ours. And you cant have our terribly managed 3rd overall or our somewhat reasonably managed 7th overall... But you can have our one twenty-or-whateverish... Is that even a word?? HAHA! Overall... OR ONE of our two other terribly managed 1st overalls.... But you cant have both....

Steve Yzerman: .............

Peter Chiarelli: Basically we're saying we want a hockey trade here Steve... A one for one...

Steve Yzerman: Beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep

[flylock shox]

If the Oilers were to get Drouin, and with McDavid coming back before long, they'd definitely be worth the price of admission anywhere in the league.

Lots of skill and speed to watch and, other than in Edmonton, almost assured victory for the home team anyway.

[Vinny01]

How does Drouin hold way more value than Yakupov? They are one year difference in age. Tampa can't expect an elite prospect in return so go after a winger that has upside and is still young and cost controlled.

[Dion]

Yzerman: Trading Jonathan Drouin still a priority

Yzerman said he always leaves the door open for reconciliation but a deal is his priority.

"I've told Jonathan and his agent we will trade him if and when we can make a deal that is good for the Tampa Bay Lightning," Yzerman said. "In that sense, nothing has changed.

"We have to run our hockey club and will run our hockey club."

"That's not acceptable to us," Yzerman said. "You go and you play. And teams are scouting, teams are watching. Every game, there's scouts out there, every single game assessing players. So if a player wants to be traded, the best thing you can do is go out and play and play well if you want to help your cause."

Yzerman has said he won't trade Drouin unless he gets "equal value" for the touted young player, who has just six goals in 89 NHL games. At least a dozen teams have expressed interest, including the Blues, Ducks, and Canadiens. Yzerman acknowledged Drouin's latest actions won't help facilitate a deal.

"I'm not sure that I'll be able to get a player of better value," Yzerman said. "It depends on how you measure it. Instead of using that term 'equal value,' maybe the better phrase is getting a deal that makes sense or is good for the Tampa Bay Lightning."

"I think if you ask every single player in that locker room, at some point they've been frustrated by their situation and they persevered through it," Yzerman said. "A lot of young players had to come up and spent time in the minors and been healthy scratches and have been there.

"I think we're doing a reasonable job of developing young players into good players. There's a group of them on our team now, and not all of them played for Jon Cooper in (AHL) Norfolk and Syracuse, either."

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/hocke...iority/2262328

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How does Drouin hold way more value than Yakupov?

Who said this?

You said it "makes sense" for Tampa to take Yakupov for Drouin, and it doesn't. They have an excess of talented wingers.

Why would they want another one who doesn't play any defense that is bordering on bust status?

It doesn't make sense for Tampa at all, regardless of you rating their potential as similar.

This isn't a game of "who would you rather". It's about Tampa finding a deal that makes sense for them, and Yakupov just isn't a good fit. At all.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Who said this?

You said it "makes sense" for Tampa to take Yakupov for Drouin, and it doesn't. They have an excess of talented wingers.

Why would they want another one who doesn't play any defense that is bordering on bust status?

It doesn't make sense for Tampa at all, regardless of you rating their potential as similar.

This isn't a game of "who would you rather". It's about Tampa finding a deal that makes sense for them, and Yakupov just isn't a good fit. At all.

You make it sound like Tampa has all kinds of great options to get a young cost controlled player with upside. Also how is Yak near bust? I guess Jankowski is a complete bust since he hasn't made the league and they are from the same draft class. Might as well not sign him. If Tampa wants a young cost controlled player Yak fits the bill. I am not sure what type of player Tampa is going to be able to get but if they want a high profile young player then Yak would be an option. Not sure the Oilers do it but the value is close

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

You make it sound like Tampa has all kinds of great options to get a young cost controlled player with upside. Also how is Yak near bust? I guess Jankowski is a complete bust since he hasn't made the league and they are from the same draft class. Might as well not sign him. If Tampa wants a young cost controlled player Yak fits the bill. I am not sure what type of player Tampa is going to be able to get but if they want a high profile young player then Yak would be an option. Not sure the Oilers do it but the value is close

Busting relative to being a top end talent. When you add to that he's atrocious in his own end (one of the worst in the NHL) it makes zero sense for Tampa (who again, are already stacked at the wing position).

You keep confusing your perception they're players with similar potential with the fact it's a terrible fit for what Tampa's said they're looking for.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Busting relative to being a top end talent. When you add to that he's atrocious in his own end (one of the worst in the NHL) it makes zero sense for Tampa (who again, are already stacked at the wing position).

You keep confusing your perception they're players with similar potential with the fact it's a terrible fit for what Tampa's said they're looking for.

I didn't know I was talking to Steve Yzerman. You seem pretty convinced you know exactly what Tampa is looking for. There has been mention of D but the consistent talk has been a young age co trolled asset of similar pedigree.

Stamkos wants to play centre if they appease him and shift him over there is opens a spot on RW.

At the end of the day what trade can Tampa do that is going to make a ton of sense to them? They need a cheap player and they want a young player. Teams are not lining up to give up their top prospects so they may need to take a young player that has substantial upside but is a little broken.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I didn't know I was talking to Steve Yzerman.

It's not really that difficult when they already are stacked on the wing and have said that they're looking for a right handed d-man.

With how deep they are on the wing, there's no way he's a top six player, and again (being one of the worst two-way players in the NHL) how does he makes their bottom six better?

Answer is he doesn't. Because he's not a good fit for Tampa at all.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

It's not really that difficult when they already are stacked on the wing and have said that they're looking for a right handed d-man.

With how deep they are on the wing, there's no way he's a top six player, and again (being one of the worst two-way players in the NHL) how does he makes their bottom six better?

Answer is he doesn't. Because he's not a good fit for Tampa at all.

How deep are they on wing? Can you spell it out for us non-Lightning experts? List the players and prospects of note please.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

How deep are they on wing? Can you spell it out for us non-Lightning experts? List the players and prospects of note please.

You go ahead and tell me where you'd slat Yakupov in and why it's a good idea for Tampa:

http://www2.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/l...-bay-lightning

I think they are deeper on the wings than most team in the NHL and are currently the hottest team in the league.

That's before considering what a poor 2-way player I think Yakupov is.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You go ahead and tell me where you'd slat Yakupov in and why it's a good idea for Tampa:

http://www2.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/l...-bay-lightning

I think they are deeper on the wings than most team in the NHL and are currently the hottest team in the league.

That's before considering what a poor 2-way player I think Yakupov is.

I guess. Kind of depends what they decide to do about Stamkos doesn't it?

Callahan's having a terrible offensive year. But I do like Palat and Kucherov quite a bit.

Drouin for a winger seems not out of the realm of possibility. Where do you see their needs?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I guess. Kind of depends what they decide to do about Stamkos doesn't it?

Callahan's having a terrible offensive year. But I do like Palat and Kucherov quite a bit.

Drouin for a winger seems not out of the realm of possibility. Where do you see their needs?

I think on D like they've said... but even if they were looking for a forward I'd stay miles away from a guy who's a career -76 in such a short time period. Just seems like a really poor fit for Tampa imo. I'd rather take a 2nd round pick personally but that's how little I think of Yakupov at this point.