[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Ken Campbell @THNKenCampbell
One NHL executive told me there were 50 NHL pro scouts at Ricoh last night to see Jonathan Drouin play. That's the one he chose to sit out.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Parallex

That is an interesting read. ty

Combine all that with the fact that he was two games away from accruing the service time to burn another year towards UFA eligibility when they sent him down and I can sort of see how Drouin and his people might feel like Yzerman is operating in bad faith.

So Drouin demanding a trade is just looking out for his own interests, but Yzerman managing the 40 game UFA factor is 'operating in bad faith'?

Ok then

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Ken Campbell @THNKenCampbell
One NHL executive told me there were 50 NHL pro scouts at Ricoh last night to see Jonathan Drouin play. That's the one he chose to sit out.

Lol. I wonder what player had the luckiest game of his life in front of 50 scouts?

[Lanny'sDaMan]

NVM wrong thread

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think Drouin is showing a lot more character by standing up for himself than if just played the quiet obedient game while he watched millions of dollars drain of his career earnings.

Good for him, he has value and he knows it.

Being stubbornly selfish in a team sport is not showing character.

Yes, Drouin has value, but if he weren't being such a petulant, self-entitled delta bravo, he would have substantially more value.

His petulance could cost him directly, by resulting in him not hitting 40 games this season.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Lol. I wonder what player had the luckiest game of his life in front of 50 scouts?

Arcobello 2-1 +4. Had to feel good for him

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Being stubbornly selfish in a team sport is not showing character.

Yes, Drouin has value, but if he weren't being such a petulant, self-entitled delta bravo, he would have substantially more value.

His petulance could cost him directly, by resulting in him not hitting 40 games this season.

All that because he doesn't want to play for a particular hockey team, huh?

[Badgers Nose]

As Loubo said in the pre game; this is not even the first time Drouin has held out.

Check it out: http://thechronicleherald.ca/sports/...landing-drouin

[JetsFlamesFan]

Does this mean he could now be acquired for Mason Raymond or a 3rd round pick? Do it! Just kidding, I doubt many GM's will trade more than a bag of pucks for him now. If he gets traded somewhere else he doesn't wanna play, he could just pull the same stunt again. His trade value should be abyssmal now. Hopefully Yzerman just buries this nobody!

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Just can't see Drouin being more than a 2nd line player, which is still good, but I wouldn't pay too much for him.

Nah, he would just hold out until coach put him in his rightful line; the first.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

All that because he doesn't want to play for a particular hockey team, huh?

This is not a one-off

The evidence against him appears to be mounting.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is not a one-off



The evidence against him appears to be mounting.

No evidence that would justify insulting the guy.

It's business, like it or not I'm not seeing any reasons to cast him as a person in a negative light.

Is this just a "kids these days!" thing I won't understand for another 20-30 years?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Arcobello 2-1 +4. Had to feel good for him

Being an ex Oiler meant he probably saw the stat and had to ask his coach what the cross in front of the four meant.

[Huntingwhale]

What I've learned from all of this is that players are human beings just like the rest of us.

So many times we hockey fans see our hockey heroes as these robotic entities that are simply in place so that we can be entertained, debate their stats, and hope that ours is the best group that wins. We often ignore the human element so we can enjoy our 60 minutes of entertainment and then go back to our daily grind. We criticize players who we deem unworthy of large contracts because the numbers on a stat sheet say they aren't worth it. We demand they make as little salary as possible so that we can fit in other robotic entities so our team becomes better so our 60 minutes of entertainment ends up with our team winning and we can enjoy the euphoric feeling of winning from the comfort of our own home.

While I think what Droiun's camp is doing is foolish, I can empathize with him doing it. Do I agree with it and would I be cool with a Flames' player doing it? Probably not. But not a single person here can say they haven't done the same thing at their job at various points in their career. I read stories like that everyday on this very forum's off topic section. I think it's pretty hypocritical of some people to make a judgement about Droiun character, yet people in this city do it everyday at their jobs.

People ask to be transferred all the time. Not making enough money at your job? You're likely to jump ship if something better pops up. I've seen plenty of new graduates leave their very first career-like job within the first couple months because they think they can play a bigger role/make more money at a different place. Is what Droiun doing any different then what any of us would do? He has a short window to make as much money as possible (granted a much larger amount) and he feels he's not getting his worth or being put in a position to succeed. He feels his boss (Cooper) is holding him back. Plenty of working folks in this town feel the same about their boss.

Again, I think what Droiun is doing borders on career suicide. But I understand why he's doing it. It's a gamble, but one that has the potential to pay off quite substantially if things go how he wants.

Many people see a whiny little bitch who should be grateful to be playing in the best league in the world. I see a guy trying to take control of his career. Something literally all of us would do. But hey, he's a hockey player and those guys make millions so he should just be grateful, right?

[MarkGio]

^^ Not all of us would take control of our careers. There as those who are too lazy, defensive or otherwise incompetent to make something of themselves and take risks.

For those who said Drouin hasn't earned anything, I would disagree. When other kids were too busy being tubby in front of a computer, Drouin was on the ice. When teenagers were drinking and smoking dope, Drouin was in the gym. He's already achieved what few would or could not. And it's that personality that's probably drove him to this current situation.

[JetsFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

What I've learned from all of this is that players are human beings just like the rest of us.

So many times we hockey fans see our hockey heroes as these robotic entities that are simply in place so that we can be entertained, debate their stats, and hope that ours is the best group that wins. We often ignore the human element so we can enjoy our 60 minutes of entertainment and then go back to our daily grind. We criticize players who we deem unworthy of large contracts because the numbers on a stat sheet say they aren't worth it. We demand they make as little salary as possible so that we can fit in other robotic entities so our team becomes better so our 60 minutes of entertainment ends up with our team winning and we can enjoy the euphoric feeling of winning from the comfort of our own home.

While I think what Droiun's camp is doing is foolish, I can empathize with him doing it. Do I agree with it and would I be cool with a Flames' player doing it? Probably not. But not a single person here can say they haven't done the same thing at their job at various points in their career. I read stories like that everyday on this very forum's off topic section. I think it's pretty hypocritical of some people to make a judgement about Droiun character, yet people in this city do it everyday at their jobs.

People ask to be transferred all the time. Not making enough money at your job? You're likely to jump ship if something better pops up. I've seen plenty of new graduates leave their very first career-like job within the first couple months because they think they can play a bigger role/make more money at a different place. Is what Droiun doing any different then what any of us would do? He has a short window to make as much money as possible (granted a much larger amount) and he feels he's not getting his worth or being put in a position to succeed. He feels his boss (Cooper) is holding him back. Plenty of working folks in this town feel the same about their boss.

Again, I think what Droiun is doing borders on career suicide. But I understand why he's doing it. It's a gamble, but one that has the potential to pay off quite substantially if things go how he wants.

Many people see a whiny little bitch who should be grateful to be playing in the best league in the world. I see a guy trying to take control of his career. Something literally all of us would do. But hey, he's a hockey player and those guys make millions so he should just be grateful, right?

Yes, he should be grateful, and he should prove he deserves to play on an NHL team instead of acting like a spoiled child. Taking control of his career would be earning a roster spot, but instead he just blames everyone else for his problems. Unfortunately, he'll have nobody to blame but himself when he's playing for peanuts in the Swiss league. Maybe he'll smarten up and turn his career around like Baertschi is in Vancouver, but he probably won't unless he gets a major attitude adjustment quickly.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Parallex

That is an interesting read. ty

Combine all that with the fact that he was two games away from accruing the service time to burn another year towards UFA eligibility when they sent him down and I can sort of see how Drouin and his people might feel like Yzerman is operating in bad faith.

It is an interesting light to have shed on the whole thing IMO.

It doesn't excuse his actions -- this unquestionably has been handled very poorly -- but we at least see what drove him to take matters into his own hands.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Lol. I wonder what player had the luckiest game of his life in front of 50 scouts?

If we hear about a trade involving Brendan Leipsic or Mark Arcobello in the coming weeks I'm going to hit the ground laughing:

What happened next is the sort of thing you typically only see at All-Star events. Leipsic pulled off a spin-o-rama move, showing great patience to wait until Gudlevskis went down before roofing the puck into the net off his backhand.

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2016/...e-crunch-4-ot/

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

What I've learned from all of this is that players are human beings just like the rest of us.

So many times we hockey fans see our hockey heroes as these robotic entities that are simply in place so that we can be entertained, debate their stats, and hope that ours is the best group that wins. We often ignore the human element so we can enjoy our 60 minutes of entertainment and then go back to our daily grind. We criticize players who we deem unworthy of large contracts because the numbers on a stat sheet say they aren't worth it. We demand they make as little salary as possible so that we can fit in other robotic entities so our team becomes better so our 60 minutes of entertainment ends up with our team winning and we can enjoy the euphoric feeling of winning from the comfort of our own home.

While I think what Droiun's camp is doing is foolish, I can empathize with him doing it. Do I agree with it and would I be cool with a Flames' player doing it? Probably not. But not a single person here can say they haven't done the same thing at their job at various points in their career. I read stories like that everyday on this very forum's off topic section. I think it's pretty hypocritical of some people to make a judgement about Droiun character, yet people in this city do it everyday at their jobs.

People ask to be transferred all the time. Not making enough money at your job? You're likely to jump ship if something better pops up. I've seen plenty of new graduates leave their very first career-like job within the first couple months because they think they can play a bigger role/make more money at a different place. Is what Droiun doing any different then what any of us would do? He has a short window to make as much money as possible (granted a much larger amount) and he feels he's not getting his worth or being put in a position to succeed. He feels his boss (Cooper) is holding him back. Plenty of working folks in this town feel the same about their boss.

Again, I think what Droiun is doing borders on career suicide. But I understand why he's doing it. It's a gamble, but one that has the potential to pay off quite substantially if things go how he wants.

Many people see a whiny little bitch who should be grateful to be playing in the best league in the world. I see a guy trying to take control of his career. Something literally all of us would do. But hey, he's a hockey player and those guys make millions so he should just be grateful, right?

Well... kinda, yeah. If we compare NHL players plights to that of our world, I would be pretty critical of someone I met on the street expressing how disgruntled they were with their job that STARTED at $500,000. I'd be even more irritated if I found out that he's living his dream, in some capacity, by doing it. Hockey is fun. Drouin is finding frustration as he wants more future success, but no one here can make the argument that he has earned anything he's asking for.

So yes, if a new employee joined my group and was given $832,500 USD ($3,450,000 CAD) and 1.5 years later started demanding to be involved in larger and more lucrative deals after turning out piss-poor designs since we hired him... I'd judge him similarly.

Now, if he was stomping around the office and telling everyone who listened that I'm holding him back by not gifting him great accounts -- then refused to submit any work to contribute to any projects -- we'd have a comparable situation. I'd dislike that guy very much.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

^^ Not all of us would take control of our careers. There as those who are too lazy, defensive or otherwise incompetent to make something of themselves and take risks.

For those who said Drouin hasn't earned anything, I would disagree. When other kids were too busy being tubby in front of a computer, Drouin was on the ice. When teenagers were drinking and smoking dope, Drouin was in the gym. He's already achieved what few would or could not. And it's that personality that's probably drove him to this current situation.

It takes a ton of dedication, pain and talent to even make it to the draft, I'll give that. But there are a lot of people who can make arguments that they've pulled years of late nights, risked everything financially, and studied their brains off to get where they are -- and they might not ever see what he makes in his rookie contract.

And Drouin is making a stand that he's deserving of a better role than others on his team. Who had also demonstrated the same drive you mentioned above.