[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

This is a fact. Doesn't mean that once in a while it's not true though. The world is changing, not necessarily for the better.

Do you mean that once in a while there is literally an entire generation of self-entitled asshats, or that every generation has it's share of self-entitled asshats, so you come across them once in a while?

One those is true, and the other is assuredly false.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by fotiou22

Off ice issue aren't important. If you can score, the NHL will always have a place for you.

Skeevy story, and unfortunate if it's true, but there's a reason why the law and the courts exist. I could write a story about how Patrick Kane dropped a deuce on my birthday cake last year, take screenshots off my phone, and post it up. That doesn't make it true.

MOD EDIT: removed link in quoted post.

[Northendzone]

as mentioned above, we don't know what was said to him/what he heard and furthermore, i don't think we can appreciate the dynamics of "working" in professional hockey.

if his stats line is 3 pts in 7 games in the AHL, then it is easy to understand why teams would not be excited about giving up a guy already playing in the NHL.

Further more, it is hard to imagine how not playing in the second best league will help prepare him to play in the NHL on a regular basis.

Seems to me that he is making a short sighted decision, but time will tell.

[CroFlames]

I'm not sure how anyone can blame Yzerman. To me, it's a black and white issue:

- Kid isn't getting ice time he thinks he deserves in the NHL
- Kid requests trade publicly, making trading more difficult for GM.
- Kid upset not traded yet, so sits out of games, making trade even more difficult.

Where is Yzerman at fault again?

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If the Flames drafted Austin Matthews, and he decided he didn't want to play in Calgary because the lack of marketing opportunities in a small-market Canadian city would cost him millions, would you applaud his character for standing up for himself?

I can see Auston Matthews telling Canadian teams he wont play in Canada, in essence pulling a Lindros. The potential to be an American born superstar playing for an American market team would be hard to resist. I may not like it if the Flames win the lottery and he tells the Flames that he wont ever wear a Flames jersey. But I can understand that its his life and his decision.

Too many fans have this thing about the honour and privelege to play the game. Hockey is a business. I understand why the draft exists, but players still need to look out for themselves.

[MoneyGuy]

I think Drouin is showing his lack of character and he's not helping his cause. His value on the trade market has just dropped significantly. If he thinks he can win this tussle with Stevie Y., he doesn't know the guy. I can see him sitting out awhile until he comes to his senses.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Would you think the same if Sam Bennett did this? Obviously it wouldn't be the exact same situation but just imagine if Bennet felt he was owed more minutes, he should play center or wanted to be on the 1st PP. Not in Bennett's character, but just imagine he did it anyway. Would you feel the same way?

Honestly, I preferred hockey when trade demands were made exclusively by proven players and you heard about one maybe once every 2-3 years. Now, it seems like you can't go 6 months without something like this. Even guys like Drouin, Baertschi and Rychel will do it now... wtf? Guys who have proven nothing but feel as though everything is owed to them. Typical millennial BS if you ask me. One day, this exact thing WILL happen to the Flames (again), and I don't think we'll see nearly as many people rushing to that kid's defense on this site as are currently defending Drouin.

Absolutely I would feel the same, especially if the team was notified of the player trade request.

It doesn't make any sense to keep a player that wants out a second longer than you need to. It's bad for the player and bad for the organization.

If Yzerman makes a deal in December, no one is saying "oh drouin only score 1 point in 7 games in the AHL" or any of this other garbage that is leading to a poor image of Drouin the player.

The poor image of Drouin the player is not raising his trade value around the league.

Does anyone think Drouin's trade value is greater today than it was on November 15th?

We don't know what deals Yzerman was being offered then, but I can pretty much guarantee you all of those previous offers are no longer on the table, whether they were poor offers or not.

Sven Baertschi wants out? You move him as quickly as possible and take what you can get.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

If Treliving didn't move Baertschi asap he would have gone public. I think this has been simmering as there were rumors he asked for a trade last year.

Sven gave Treliving time to get a deal done. He didn't whine to the media when he was sent to Adirondack, and he didn't just quit on the team after a few games in the AHL. Most of what we know about that situation, we learned after the trade.

[Geeoff]

He reminds me so much of Sven. Stay away IMO

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If the Flames drafted Austin Matthews, and he decided he didn't want to play in Calgary because the lack of marketing opportunities in a small-market Canadian city would cost him millions, would you applaud his character for standing up for himself?

I don't understand, is Connor McDavid missing out on marketing opportunities in Edmonton?

Is Stamkos missing out on them in Tampa?

It's not 1996 anymore where a player in Calgary is only appearing on 2&7 and the occasional CBC game.

But either way, no, I wouldn't. Why should I? Calgary has his rights for 7 years. If he requested a trade I would hope the flames would quietly explore trade scenarios and capitalize on an incredible return for a first overall pick.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Absolutely I would feel the same, especially if the team was notified of the player trade request.

It doesn't make any sense to keep a player that wants out a second longer than you need to. It's bad for the player and bad for the organization.

If Yzerman makes a deal in December, no one is saying "oh drouin only score 1 point in 7 games in the AHL" or any of this other garbage that is leading to a poor image of Drouin the player.

The poor image of Drouin the player is not raising his trade value around the league.

Does anyone think Drouin's trade value is greater today than it was on November 15th?

We don't know what deals Yzerman was being offered then, but I can pretty much guarantee you all of those previous offers are no longer on the table, whether they were poor offers or not.

Sven Baertschi wants out? You move him as quickly as possible and take what you can get.

Sven for a 2nd round was good value for what he'd shown though. The value of Drouin seems to be all over the map here, but I'm sure Yzerman has a set value he wants. I'm assuming that value hasn't been realized yet, nor will we really know what it is until the trade is made.

If Calgary as holding out for more than a 2nd, I'm sure that ordeal would have dragged on further than it had.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Sven gave Treliving time to get a deal done. He didn't whine to the media when he was sent to Adirondack, and he didn't just quit on the team after a few games in the AHL. Most of what we know about that situation, we learned after the trade.

I believe that even with his trade request, the impetus to move him didn't pick up until it became public that he had no intention of re-signing in Calgary.

[Vinny01]

They say on Sprtsnnet 7-12 teams they list 7 teams in the Habs, Blues, Preds, Wild, Hurricanes, Ducks, Sens.

Flames are maybe in the 5 unnamed teams but if the ask is still Bennett that is a quick no

[CroFlames]

Haha Bennett for Drouin. Don't make me laugh.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Do you mean that once in a while there is literally an entire generation of self-entitled asshats, or that every generation has it's share of self-entitled asshats, so you come across them once in a while?

One those is true, and the other is assuredly false.

I'm not going to argue in extremes. What I will say is that the progression of humanity throughout history hasn't been consistently linear and upward, there have been many, many bumps in the road. There are a multitude of factors that have caused this, and that could be debated endlessly, but the number one factor is obviously humans themselves. We can ask why and we can justify things all we want but as a species, we have generally been our own worst enemy. Maybe it was always going to be inevitable but I tend to think the people at the times of these downturns are generally the ones responsible (over multiple generations), then it's up to future generations to fix things. It's a cycle that has been repeated many times throughout recorded history.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't understand, is Connor McDavid missing out on marketing opportunities in Edmonton?

Is Stamkos missing out on them in Tampa?

It's not 1996 anymore where a player in Calgary is only appearing on 2&7 and the occasional CBC game.

But either way, no, I wouldn't. Why should I? Calgary has his rights for 7 years. If he requested a trade I would hope the flames would quietly explore trade scenarios and capitalize on an incredible return for a first overall pick.

He could still use it as an excuse, as code for 'I don't want to play here'.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

He could still use it as an excuse, as code for 'I don't want to play here'.

Why would you want a player on your team that doesn't want to be there?

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I believe that even with his trade request, the impetus to move him didn't pick up until it became public that he had no intention of re-signing in Calgary.

It only became public after the trade:
http://calgaryherald.com/sports/hock...ouldnt-re-sign

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Absolutely I would feel the same, especially if the team was notified of the player trade request.

It doesn't make any sense to keep a player that wants out a second longer than you need to. It's bad for the player and bad for the organization.

Exactly - Doug Gilmour stomps out on the team and says he will never play for the Flames on Saturday - trade his butt on Sunday and get what you can!!! (even if it is Leeman, who was one year off a 50 goal season. - the rest of that trade was all about money.) Leeman on the ice is better than Gilmour at home pouting and being a distraction.

Nieuendyk holds out for more cash - Hello Jarome Iginla.

Win some / lose some I guess.

I don't think Druin is doing himself any favours, but at some point Yzerman is going to have to do something about his team to put the distraction to bed.

[CroFlames]

After his agent came out and said

no reason for Jonathan to continue with the Tampa Bay Lightning in any capacity. We will have no further comment as we await the Tampa Bay Lightning to conclude a trade that involves Jonathan

Source: http://www.tsn.ca/agent-no-reason-to...tning-1.426194

I hope Yzerman doesn't make a trade until the summer. Or even after the summer. What an entitled little doosh.