[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Where did I say that I want him on the Flames? I'm just saying Yzerman handled this terribly.

If there is already a history of idiocy and immaturity surrounding Drouin's young career, you don't want to add fuel to the fire. The more Yzerman slanders Drouin, the less value he has. It's quite simple.

Yzerman has slandered Drouin?????


That's a hot taek

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Ottawa clearly got the better of that deal by a mile.

In retrospect, easily. At the time, many of the posters on this board had said Phoenix won that trade handily.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

In retrospect, easily. At the time, many of the posters on this board had said Phoenix won that trade handily.

And if you looked at the Seguin trade at the time, regardless of who you thought got the better of it, it didn't look nearly as lopsided as is does now. That's my point - if you're a GM looking at teams who dealt players like this in similar, or at least sort of similar situations, it would make you a bit more hesitant to pull the trigger.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

I don't think Turris is a comparable. Drouin was the top player in the CHL for 1 year (it could be argued 2). He had jaw-dropping skill, but a questionable attitude. He expected everything to be handed to (and has since junior), and when we didn't light it up immediately upon stepping on the NHL ice, it became Tampa's problem and not his. I'd say Alexander Daigle is a pretty close comparable. Turris was drafted as a project.

Turris was drafted 3rd overall and was the #1 rated North American skater, according to Central Scouting. Very similar. Requested a trade privately, then went public and held out. Claimed it wasn't about money. (All courtesy of Wikipedia).

My point is that attitude is very difficult thing to quantify. I think Drouin is being a baby. I thought Turris was a spoiled brat as well. However, since the Turris trade, I don't recall any attitude issues related to Turris. I don't follow them closely, so maybe he is still thought of a jerk, but I doubt it.

For the record, I don't think the Flames should be in on this guy either, unless it is for Colborne and spare parts.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Drouin was drafted in 2011 by Halifax and was on the team by December as a 16 year old. It took him a couple months to decide to move out of province, a 12 hour drive away from home, as a 16 year old. Not a big deal at all.

You may be correct on him reporting half-way through his first season (I thought it was his second), but there was a big squabble over him not reporting and had nothing to do with him moving from Quebec to Nova Scotia. That's the line all the top prospects use when a Maritime team drafts them. At the time it was pretty widely considered that he wanted two things. A huge "education" package and that he wanted to play in Quebec with his buddy and Midget linemate Anthony Duclaire. Of course when Halifax refused to trade him and eventually got him to report, this all became water under the bridge when he started to light up the score board and all the Moosehead fans pretended like it didn't happen.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

I'm pretty sure other GM's are well aware of his less than stellar attitude over the history of his very short career. He refused to report to the Halifax Mooseheads (one of the most respect franchises in the CHL) in his 16 year old season and went back to Midget to dominate a league he was already dominating as a 15 year old. He only reported as a 17 year old after it was made very clear by Halifax he was not going to get his way and he'd play for them or no one in the QMJHL at all. The rumors at the time were he was not pleased when Halifax acquired MacKinnon as all the spotlight would be completely on him as he was a hockey prodigy and the local hero.

There's rumors he had spat with hockey Canada, and he was not a happy camper and sulked the entire year when the Lighting sent him back to juniors after he was drafted.

This guy is poison in my mind. I don't want him anywhere near the Flames prospects unless they get him ridiculously cheap and are willing to throw him out the door the minute he crosses the line or displays his piss-poor attitude.

Never heard this before, what a prima donna. Hope the Flames stay away, they don't need BS like that.

[SofaProfessor]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

This guy is poison in my mind. I don't want him anywhere near the Flames prospects unless they get him ridiculously cheap and are willing to throw him out the door the minute he crosses the line or displays his piss-poor attitude.

With the way this has been handled I'm not sure Drouin goes for anything other than "ridiculously cheap."

I'd take him on the Flames if the price was right. Like you said, if he doesn't cost a ton to acquire, they can throw him out the door the moment he steps out of line.

Let's remember; the truth often sits somewhere between the two stories you hear. We have the Lightning's explanation of events and Drouin's. I don't doubt for a moment this kid might be a bit entitled. I'm also hesitant to believe he's a complete lost cause. Right now his price is lower than it was yesterday morning. Can't hurt to kick the tires and see if something comes of it that benefits the Flames.

[Split98]

Unless this trade is for parts Calgary is better without, I want them far away from this guy.

Could he go full Seguin? Sure. Are the comparisons to Daigle more likely at this point? Absolutely.

Unless Calgary is willing to dump him if his attitude and effort doesn't change with new scenery, I really hope he's not coming here.

Edit: Not Yashin, but Alexandre Daigle!

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

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No he wasn't. He was in conversation for first overall that year throughout the draft.

Yes he was...... Patrick Kane was the concensus #1 that year. Turris was always considered to be a high pick , but he was a player with one year of college experience and 2 years of BCHL experience. No one was expecting him to jump into the NHL immediately and be a difference maker.

Weren't the discussions at the time that Gretzky jumped the gun on Turris? I can't remember, but I thought they were.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

You'd move Hamilton for this spoiled, entitled brat? Glad you aren't running the team!

I totally forgot about Hamilton.

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Good for Drouin. I'd take that dude in a heartbeat and we should move anyone not named Bennett, Monahan, Gaudreau, Gio and Brodie to do it.

EDIT:

TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT HAMILTON, AND HAMILTON.

[burn_this_city]

He's far too entitled to be worth a decent asset.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

They rushed Turris into the NHL too early but he was expected to go #2 or #3 for most of that draft year.

Rushing these prospects often stunts their development for a couple years.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Never heard this before, what a prima donna. Hope the Flames stay away, they don't need BS like that.

As someone else posted, it appears he did report in his first year (half-way through the season), but the rest of it is what was floating around at the time. Of course all of it could just be rumors as people were less than impressed he didn't show up at training camp. That said, the fact that this appears to be happening again in TB would lend some support to the old adage "Where there's smoke, there is fire".

I've actually always thought Drouin was a better hockey player than MacKinnon, but he sure has yet to show that.

There's a conversation going on right now on the Mooseheads' messageboard that is rehashing the whole Drouin QMJHL experience if your interested. It appears this TB fiasco has reopened old wounds in Halifax.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

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No he wasn't. He was in conversation for first overall that year throughout the draft.

With hindsight that's hilarious. Patrick Kane has won the Stanley Cup 3 times, won the Conn Smythe and has more than twice as many career points as Turris.

[longsuffering]

Yzerman should just let him sit until the draft. Let him stew. Give Walsh permission to speak with other teams to try and sell them on the idea Drouin can be a difference maker given a fresh start.

I think by waiting Yzerman would receive better offers then than he is likely to receive now.

[SofaProfessor]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Never heard this before, what a prima donna. Hope the Flames stay away, they don't need BS like that.

The guy you quoted is citing "rumours." Rumour he sulked all year. Rumour he got in a spat with hockey Canada. Nothing any of us can know unless we were involved in the situation.

Remember when CP nearly burnt to the ground because of "rumours" Gaudreau wasn't going to sign with the Flames coming out college? What were those rumours based on? Another college player doing the same thing before? They got turned into an entire story that wasn't there.

Rumours may be true. They're just as likely to be false.

[sureLoss]

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by SofaProfessor

The guy you quoted is citing "rumours." Rumour he sulked all year. Rumour he got in a spat with hockey Canada. Nothing any of us can know unless we were involved in the situation.

Remember when CP nearly burnt to the ground because of "rumours" Gaudreau wasn't going to sign with the Flames coming out college? What were those rumours based on? Another college player doing the same thing before? They got turned into an entire story that wasn't there.

Rumours may be true. They're just as likely to be false.

That's true, but there's a history of this with Drouin. He's played on two teams since Midget Hockey and both have had complete ####shows surrounding him. The hockey Canada and sulking are definitely rumors, but what happened in Halifax is reality. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

I'm not so sure those were rumors with Gaudreau either. I actually believe there was a significant chance Gaudreau was going to walk, his family didn't want him that far away, and without that full-court press the Flames and Conroy put on we'd be some pretty bitter people right now.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Yes he was...... Patrick Kane was the concensus #1 that year.

No he wasn't. There was no consensus number 1 pick that year. Turris had garnered attention throughout a lot of the season and was ranked #1 by central scouting.

The Oilers website had a post on the draft because they were making their highest draft in a decade:
http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=429906

At sixth overall, the Oilers will draft at their highest position since taking Boyd Devereaux sixth in 1996.
...

1. JACUB VORACEK (Halifax, QMJHL)

2. PATRICK KANE (London, OHL)

3. ALEXEI CHEREPANOV (Avangard Omsk, Russia)

4. KYLE TURRIS (Burnaby, BCHL)

As far as consensus number 1 picks go, of course looking at it in retrospect it seems silly, but 2007 is one of the few drafts where number 1 could have been multiple players and no one would have been surprised, the top 5 or 6 no one had separated themselves and could have been any order. Rankings had Turris anywhere from 1st to 6th that year, but most had him top 3. Kane was maybe a favourite, but certainly not a consensus.

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I didn't miss that part at all. So he didn't like the coach's style and the team put him on the block...It's a completely different situation this time. The team didn't hang Yzerman out to dry as a player and make him out to be a brat. As Resolute pointed out, you can't treat every player the same and expect everyone to be like him.

If things weren't working out and the team put him on the block, it'd be different, by treating the kid the way they are they're looking like the bad guys IMO.

Yes, it is completely different situation. When Yzerman was put on the block, he didn't throw a tantrum and sit on the sideline until he got traded.

This became a different animal when Drouin started pouting and behaving like a brat. This isn't the actions of the Lightning GM that makes him look bad, Drouin is doing that to himself all on his own.