[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

A 2nd + Klimchuk.

Get 'er done.

I would personally add way more than that.

Klimchuck + Hickey + Granlund

Or whatever combination outside of Bennett, Gaudreau, Monahan, Hamilton, and Brodie. I'd probably reluctantly give up Ferland too. It's always better to add minor pieces for a monster franchise player

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I think soccer is a much better and more free market system. When your contract is up, go where you want. No bs salary cap or ridiculous draft to allocate players to welfare case teams either.

As long as you don't mind your league being dominated by the same 3-5 teams for decades on end. I honestly don't know what motivates the fans of the 15 or so teams in the English Premier League who have no chance of winning a championship.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Wouldn't it be Drouin's responsibility talk to coaches about these things. I mean, if he was calling in sick, he wouldn't call his agent to them call the coach, would he?

Calling in sick and telling an organization you are sitting out until a trade is completed are 2 completely different things.

The standard procedure is for his agent to call Yzerman and tell him that Drouin won't be playing.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

General Fanager @generalfanager
Another piece to Drouin puzzle: was sent down 38 games into season. Won't get an accrued season unless on an active roster for 2 more games.

General Fanager @generalfanager
Drouin has 1 accrued season already. If accrues this season, on pace to be UFA July 2021. If not, won't be UFA eligible until 2022.

Jesus...if Stevies plan was to keep Drouin in the minors for the rest of year to keep Drouin's trade value higher, or to benefit the lightenings cap dynamics if they chose to keep Drouin, I'd probably do what drouin did too and tell Yzerman to go #### himself.

That would be the exact opposite of what the flames did for Johnny Hockey and Sam Bennett...giving them games to help burn off years of their entry level contract!

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

Personally, I have no problem blaming this on 'entitlement issues' (combined with a self-absorbed agent), and equally no problem looking in the mirror.

There have been a few times in my life thought I could or should get more, but the course that I chose in those situations was to work harder at what I was told I needed to focus on.

When your boss is generally older (more mature) than you, acting like a petulant child is not a way to have them say, "sure thing, let me get you what you want..."

Maybe that's because I'm in my 40s now, and not a member of the ME generation?? I just can't understand actions like Drouin's...

To be fair, I assume you (like most people) had the opportunity to go explore working at other companies for the same line of work.

Drouin is essentially locked into the Lightning for the next 7/8 years unless he forces a trade. He obviously feels like he can do better with another organization, but can't simply change organizations like most people can.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

Personally, I have no problem blaming this on 'entitlement issues' (combined with a self-absorbed agent), and equally no problem looking in the mirror.

There have been a few times in my life thought I could or should get more, but the course that I chose in those situations was to work harder at what I was told I needed to focus on.

When your boss is generally older (more mature) than you, acting like a petulant child is not a way to have them say, "sure thing, let me get you what you want..."

Maybe that's because I'm in my 40s now, and not a member of the ME generation?? I just can't understand actions like Drouin's...

I don't think it's true that putting your head down and working hard in bad situations always gets you where you want to go. It works for some people, and that's great, but lots of people, probably most people, need to work hard and also make moves in their careers at the right time unless they are really lucky.

Some bosses are older, and they are still bad at their job.... experience is great, but when somebody is stupid, ignorant, mean spirited, etc, they can still be a bad boss.

Lots of NHL players, have toughed it out in bad situations and just got buried. After 3 or 4 years of not making an impact at the pro level, your reputation on this circuit is seriously damaged and he's in year 2. And when your career is probably only 10-15 years long to boot, I get him making a move more quickly than somebody like you or me would in our job.

To me, he's not being petulant at all, he's made a business decision and hasn't been emotional or pouty at all. He said what he is going to do and followed through. If he was name calling in the media or something I'd have an issue with it.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

As long as you don't mind your league being dominated by the same 3-5 teams for decades on end. I honestly don't know what motivates the fans of the 15 or so teams in the English Premier League who have no chance of winning a championship.

It's just a different mentality... their odds of winning the league aren't all high but they are pleased to win a cup or have an exciting cup (playoff) run once in a while, or win the Championship level, or get to play in the champions league/uefa cup. I think lots accept that their team is a reflection of the economic and population base of their city, and someone living in Swansea doesn't have any expectation of their club being better than Madrid.

If there's anything to me that deserves the entitlement label, it's the North American sports fan's notion that their team should have a turn to win a title every so often or an amazing 18 year old player because they have been badly managed or supported. But anyway, going way off topic, happy to continue in the premier league thread if you want

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Dhiren Mahiban ‏@dcmahiban 19m19 minutes ago
Today's decision by Drouin/agent planned well in advance. Told days ago Drouin wouldn't speak until after #Marlies game - now we know why.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by 868904

Hey it worked for Sven Baertschi, he's a star now for the Canucks. No green text.

If there were any hockey justice, Sven would find no success given his behaviour, but the reality is whiny entitled brats always get what they want in the end.

Drouin will end up a star somewhere else and he will think he handled this all properly.

Baertschi's a star?



I find your post confusing.

You specifically said 'no green text'. I guess that's the part that confuses me. Is this like some sort of a fancy double negative?

Not trying to be rude, I just legitimately can't tell if you're joking or not.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I would personally add way more than that.

Klimchuck + Hickey + Granlund

Or whatever combination outside of Bennett, Gaudreau, Monahan, Hamilton, and Brodie. I'd probably reluctantly give up Ferland too. It's always better to add minor pieces for a monster franchise player

I wouldn't give up that much, the kid has done nothing as a pro. He's really shown nothing in the AHL and the NHL to get that excited about.

And now because he's not being given a guaranteed NHL spot he's taking his ball and going home.

He's done little to earn anything.

And now he's listening to bad advice from his manager.

I like accumulating young talent as much as this guy. But I'm not giving up that much to see if this kid screws his head on straight and shows half the talent that he had going into the draft.

If you trade for him, and he's crappy and you send him to the farm is he going to pout again?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by 868904

Hey it worked for Sven Baertschi, he's a star now for the Canucks. No green text.

If there were any hockey justice, Sven would find no success given his behaviour, but the reality is whiny entitled brats always get what they want in the end.

Drouin will end up a star somewhere else and he will think he handled this all properly.

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

To be fair, I assume you (like most people) had the opportunity to go explore working at other companies for the same line of work.

Drouin is essentially locked into the Lightning for the next 7/8 years unless he forces a trade. He obviously feels like he can do better with another organization, but can't simply change organizations like most people can.

Oh, no doubt, very valid point.

That being said, you know what you're getting into when you make a career in hockey your choice.

To be clear, I understand why he may want a trade, just not the choices he is making to try and force it.


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[N-E-B]

I hope Connor McDavid is taking notes...

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I don't think it's true that putting your head down and working hard in bad situations always gets you where you want to go. It works for some people, and that's great, but lots of people, probably most people, need to work hard and also make moves in their careers at the right time unless they are really lucky.

Some bosses are older, and they are still bad at their job.... experience is great, but when somebody is stupid, ignorant, mean spirited, etc, they can still be a bad boss.

Lots of NHL players, have toughed it out in bad situations and just got buried. After 3 or 4 years of not making an impact at the pro level, your reputation on this circuit is seriously damaged and he's in year 2. And when your career is probably only 10-15 years long to boot, I get him making a move more quickly than somebody like you or me would in our job.

To me, he's not being petulant at all, he's made a business decision and hasn't been emotional or pouty at all. He said what he is going to do and followed through. If he was name calling in the media or something I'd have an issue with it.

I will certainly agree that putting your head down doesn't get you what you want all the time...

But Drouin is 1/2 way through his ELC - he has not put in the time or performance yet to show his expectations are justified.

Remember all of us saying Ortio should have been one of our goalies? Fans can be wrong too as it turns out he wasn't ready.

Sure, maybe Drouin can put up points, but he hasn't learned a defensive game yet... Can't the Lightning play him in the minors and expect him to learn there where it doesn't cost them points in the standings??

He's basically saying he believes he is ready and so give him what he wants... In my opinion, he's done more to lower his value in the last month than playing in the minors would have done.


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[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by 868904

Hey it worked for Sven Baertschi, he's a star now for the Canucks. No green text.

If there were any hockey justice, Sven would find no success given his behaviour, but the reality is whiny entitled brats always get what they want in the end.

Drouin will end up a star somewhere else and he will think he handled this all properly.

Typically, you have to be older to be a white dwarf...

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I wouldn't give up that much, the kid has done nothing as a pro. He's really shown nothing in the AHL and the NHL to get that excited about.

And now because he's not being given a guaranteed NHL spot he's taking his ball and going home.

He's done little to earn anything.

And now he's listening to bad advice from his manager.

I like accumulating young talent as much as this guy. But I'm not giving up that much to see if this kid screws his head on straight and shows half the talent that he had going into the draft.

If you trade for him, and he's crappy and you send him to the farm is he going to pout again?

Almost none of that has anything to do with trade value. Just because you don't like his behaviour as a member of the NHLPA, doesn't mean that his value to a hockey club has changed.

Drouin wants to be a NHLer. He's wanted to be one since he was a child. That desire has allowed him to be one of the best players in minor league hockey, one the best players in his draft class, and one that generate ~0.5ppg pace in the NHL as a rookie.

That's why I would give up any and most players in the Flames system for him. No manager got their name engraved on Lord Stanley without taking risks. This is an opportunity to benefit from another team's misfortunes.

Some players just don't jive in an organization. Look at Vinny. Ryan Johanssen. Or any number of players throughout the NHL who have benefited from a change in scenery. Sometimes they simply don't benefit. Sometimes they just regress. But looking at pure odds from draft position, Drouin is more likely than not to be an NHLer.

[Itse]

If I was a GM, I wouldn't want Drouin anywhere near my prospects for purely selfish reasons.

The risk/reward comparison looks quite bad. On the risk side is now not just that Drouin himself is a bust, but the possibility that he gives your other prospects the idea that they can try blackmailing you for an NHL spot or a trade.

Drouin might have made himself untradeable. He's no Eric Lindros.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

If I was Yzerman I would say nothing and wait until next year. Then if Drouin wants to come back I would send him to the minors on the first day of camp. Drouin has no value doing what he is doing, so make him lose out on any chance he has until he buys into the team concept as he has no power with him being on his entry level contract.

Yeah its nice and vindictive but would that really help the Lightning organization? They spent a 3rd overall pick on the kid, they need to get value out of him somehow, not just waste him and punish him.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I haven't followed the Drouin saga very closely nor have I followed the 70 or so pages of discussion on here but I'd like to ask where Toronto sits in all this. I don't know how Drouin feels about playing for the Leafs but in my mind they seem like a team that might be willing to take a chance on him. They are in the early part of a rebuild and could be in a good position to take a flyer on Drouin. They obviously have many holes in their line up and Drouin has some potential to be a decent player. I'm not sure if the Leafs have any assets that the Lightning would want. If I was the Leafs I'd be trying to possibly move Kadri for Drouin.

Not sure if serious, trolling, or brilliant satire.

[Dajazz]

Lets pretend a junior account manager comes in to my office, after 1.5 years of mediocre (at best) results and says; Boss, I wan't a key account, 20% salary increase and a new company car or I'll quit.

Well then...

I don't know the whole story, but where there is smoke there is fire. Self entitled, me first little ****. Tampa is a top team in the league WITHOUT him, so what does he think he'll win with this?

I hope Yzerman sets an example unless he can get a ridicoulus return. Or, trade him to Edmonton as punishment.