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Old 01-09-2016, 10:50 PM   #61
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There are probably mega super max prisons out there where america has discovered the secret of carbonite freezing and its at the bottom of the ocean guarded by genetically altered shark men guards.

Its where they hold Cobra Commander, Destro, and they have a spot reserved for Justin Bieber and the Wayan brothers.
If they're holding the Wayans brothers then they have my full support. I'll sign a petition, donate money, whatever they need. Point me in the right direction.
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Sean Penn Secretly Interviewed ‘El Chapo,’ Mexican Drug Lord

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Actor Sean Penn, left, and the drug lord Joaquín Guzmán Loera in a photo taken for interview authentication purposes.Credit Rolling Stone

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I take no pride in keeping secrets that may be perceived as protecting criminals, nor do I have any gloating arrogance at posing for selfies with unknowing security men. But I'm in my rhythm. Everything I say to everyone must be true. As true as it is compartmentalized. The trust that El Chapo had extended to us was not to be ####ed with. This will be the first interview El Chapo had ever granted outside an interrogation room, leaving me no precedent by which to measure the hazards. I'd seen plenty of video and graphic photography of those beheaded, exploded, dismembered or bullet-riddled innocents, activists, courageous journalists and cartel enemies alike. I was highly aware of committed DEA and other law-enforcement officers and soldiers, both Mexican and American, who had lost their lives executing the policies of the War on Drugs. The families decimated, and institutions corrupted.

I took some comfort in a unique aspect of El Chapo's reputation among the heads of drug cartels in Mexico: that, unlike many of his counterparts who engage in gratuitous kidnapping and murder, El Chapo is a businessman first, and only resorts to violence when he deems it advantageous to himself or his business interests. It was on the strength of the Sinaloa cartel's seemingly more calculated strategies (a cartel whose famous face is El Chapo, but also includes the co-leadership of Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada) that Sinaloa had become dominant among Mexico's criminal syndicates, extending far beyond the rural northwestern state, with significant inroads to all principal border areas between the United States and Mexico – Juarez, Mexicali, Tijuana, and reaching as far as Los Cabos.

As an American citizen, I'm drawn to explore what may be inconsistent with the portrayals our government and media brand upon their declared enemies. Not since Osama bin Laden has the pursuit of a fugitive so occupied the public imagination. But unlike bin Laden, who had posed the ludicrous premise that a country's entire population is defined by – and therefore complicit in – its leadership's policies, with the world's most wanted drug lord, are we, the American public, not indeed complicit in what we demonize? We are the consumers, and as such, we are complicit in every murder, and in every corruption of an institution's ability to protect the quality of life for citizens of Mexico and the United States that comes as a result of our insatiable appetite for illicit narcotics.
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What is your opinion about who is to blame here, those who sell drugs, or the people who use drugs and create a demand for them? What is the relationship between production, sale and consumption?
If there was no consumption, there would be no sales. It is true that consumption, day after day, becomes bigger and bigger. So it sells and sells.

What about the violence attached to this type of activity?
In part, it is because already some people already grow up with problems, and there is some envy and they have information against someone else. That is what creates violence.


Is it true what they say that drugs destroy humanity and bring harm?
Well, it's a reality that drugs destroy. Unfortunately, as I said, where I grew up there was no other way and there still isn't a way to survive, no way to work in our economy to be able to make a living.

Bearing in mind what has been written about you, what one can see on TV, things are said about you in Mexico, what kind of message would you like to convey to the people of Mexico?
Well, I can say it's normal that people have mixed feelings because some people know me and others don't. That is the reason I say it is normal. Because those who do not know me can have their doubts about saying if, in this case, I'm a good person or not.
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Old 01-10-2016, 12:19 AM   #63
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Do journalists have rights when it comes to interviewing criminals who have escaped prison?
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Old 01-10-2016, 01:09 AM   #64
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That sounds super interesting.

Is Sean Penn a secret agent? He's got to go into some sort of witness protection thing now, no?
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Sean Penn now wanted for questioning in Mexico.

Netflix already has their script for Narcos season 12.
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Old 01-10-2016, 11:07 AM   #66
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LOL Penn is never going to get in trouble for this in a million years. He's a rich, white, famous actor in the USA. Mexico can stamp their feet all they want but no one will care.
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LOL Penn is never going to get in trouble for this in a million years. He's a rich, white, famous actor in the USA. Mexico can stamp their feet all they want but no one will care.
Unless the US DOJ goes after him. Or someone from the cartel if they think he leaked info.
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That sounds super interesting.
If you get a chance, read it. Very good.
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2 Part interview with Sean Penn on Charlie Rose (PBS) this week about his meeting with Guzman.
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Finally forced my way through the article. Every bit of ridicule Penn is getting is well deserved. Just terrible.
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Finally forced my way through the article. Every bit of ridicule Penn is getting is well deserved. Just terrible.
I enjoyed the article. I have read some of the critique about it and I enjoyed those as well. I can see how people would be upset that Penn's portrayal of Guzman captured his soft side more than his evil side, but Penn didn't really get to interview Guzman as he wanted and even said some of his questions were edited or omitted. Perhaps his account of the journey was self serving, but interesting nonetheless. If you want to argue that Penn "glamourized" Guzman, that could be justified. But, that's what Narcos did for Escobar as well. For me, these drug lord stories are fascinating though so I do have a bias.

What was it about the article which made it so difficult to read for you?
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What was it about the article which made it so difficult to read for you?
Penn colorfully describing how he farted in front of El Chapo.
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Penn colorfully describing how he farted in front of El Chapo.
That captured my inner 8 year old
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Penn colorfully describing how he farted in front of El Chapo.
Probably the scariest fart he's ever farted.
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The Pablo Escobar show on NetFlix is outstanding. Similar to Narcos.
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What was it about the article which made it so difficult to read for you?
Flash frame - I'm reading this article while travelling. I was having trouble reading it with my "dick in hand" as I stood at the toilet reading it on my phone (not a laptop as that would be awkward and I don't know if they even make them anymore) and then in an eerie coincidence I had to fart. It scared me.

But in general...the writing is among the worst published writing I've read in a long long time outside the Sun group of newspapers. It's meandering, it's self-indulgent, it's downright stupid and completely missed the goal of what he wanted to do. It was an interview where the guy being interviewed was happy to be interviewed by Hollywood and where Hollywood was happy to talk to the guy. No new information gleaned. This is a piece that any journalist would have never written because they had nothing new to share beyond "I met him! I really met him!"

Most importantly, Rolling Stone should be ashamed.

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Flash frame - I'm reading this article while travelling. I was having trouble reading it with my "dick in hand" as I stood at the toilet reading it on my tablet (not a laptop as that would be awkward and I don't know if they even make them anymore) and then in an eerie coincidence I had to fart. It scared me.

But in general...the writing is among the worst published writing I've ever read. It's meandering, it's self-indulgent, it's downright stupid and completely missed the goal of what he wanted to do. It was an interview where the guy being interviewed was happy to be interviewed by Hollywood and where Hollywood was happy to talk to the guy. No new information gleaned. No hard questions. This is a piece that any journalist would have never written because they had nothing new to share beyond "I met him! I really met him!"

Most importantly, Rolling Stone should be ashamed.
I asked for your viewpoint and got it. I wonder if our difference in opinions on the the article stem from expectations. I started out expecting an interview with Guzman, but it didn't take me long to realize it was really more of a blog citing Penn's experience trying to get that interview. Which didn't ever happen. I suppose I could definitely agree that Penn does not come out of this looking like a journalist on any level. Just a story teller.
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I asked for your viewpoint and got it. I wonder if our difference in opinions on the the article stem from expectations. I started out expecting an interview with Guzman, but it didn't take me long to realize it was really more of a blog citing Penn's experience trying to get that interview. Which didn't ever happen. I suppose I could definitely agree that Penn does not come out of this looking like a journalist on any level. Just a story teller.
But it wasn't intended to be a blog. It was intended as a discussion of the failure of the war on drugs. More to the point Penn even said he failed.

It also wasn't a very good story.

I guess I shouldn't be so hard on him for not getting any new information...the authorities gathered a lot of information on this vanity project for Penn, El Chapo and the mexican actress who I can't remember her name.

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