UPD: NHL announces Scott WILL captain the Pacific team

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I think not being in the nhl makes him ineligible, no?

If he's not on an NHL roster at the AS break, which he probably won't be considering he's been on waivers all year, then yes.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

We all know he'll end up going so the NHL can save face this week. He'll be a late addition when one of the star players bow out.

Only if Montreal calls him back up from the AHL before then. He can't play if he is not on a league roster, and I suspect that the Canadiens are not remotely concerned about John Scott's ASG eligibility as it pertains to their own decisions in this regard.

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The thing is it's not just about his role in a game, it's the things he does that aren't part of the game. It's his disregard for human safety and carelessness towards others. He's been suspended a few times and not for borderline hits or questionable calls. He's dirty and he went out of his way to seriously injure others. Look at the Loui Eriksson hit or the punch to Tim Jackman, the guy goes out of his way to hurt people in dirty ways.



Sure he may have his own charity and do all kinds of volunteer work but he's also repeatedly gone out of his way to break the rules to hurt people and change their lives in a negative way. I just can't understand why people want to not only keep a guy like him in the league but to reward him and act like he's such a great guy.

He is a great guy because he does all kinds of charity work and is a generally nice guy.

The only way guys like Scott can make the NHL is by pushing the envelope and gooning it up. Are his on-ice actions defensible? Some are, a lot aren't. I get that.

Several people here have posted things defending John Scott "the person" and not "the player" but you can't seem to distinguish the two. John Scott, the person, is a great guy, and if you try to discount his off-ice actions and personality because of his on-ice actions, I'm calling into question your character.

PK Subban is a whiny little baby on the ice, but look at what he does off ice. Giroux is pretty well respected on the ice, but I have heard he is quite the dink otherwise.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by calumniate

I still honestly don't understand why Arizona asked him to withdraw. What did it matter to them? In addition it was said he would face possible suspensions or fines from the NHL if he didn't go. I really dislike the Phoenix coyotes.

Apparently the NHL asked him to withdraw too, which is contrary to their past practice of suspending players who have withdrawn in the past.

IMO this is a case where the 'cover-up/conspiracy' is worse than just letting an unfortunate situation play out without calling extra attention to it.

Do we know if Johnny was second in voting for the Pacific?

[FeyWest]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Apparently the NHL asked him to withdraw too, which is contrary to their past practice of suspending players who have withdrawn in the past.

IMO this is a case where the 'cover-up/conspiracy' is worse than just letting an unfortunate situation play out without calling extra attention to it.

Do we know if Johnny was second in voting for the Pacific?

Yes Johnny was second in voting.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I don't see how John Scott being a 'great guy' off the ice has any bearing on this at all. I think most people are referring to his deplorable actions on the ice when they call his character into question, not his alter ego they know nothing about. Yeah, yeah, I know the NHL forced him to be the ogre he needed to be so he could have a job in the NHL, no need to go there. I just don't think his off ice dealings have any bearing on that. Maybe we should ask Loui Eriksson, Tim Jackman or Mikhail Grabovski how great of a guy they think John Scott is? I shudder to think of all the people he's injured on his way to the NHL, before he was famous for hurting people. There's likely many former amateur players with daily reminders of Scott's generosity out there, it would be interesting to hear their take on it.

Ultimately, it's an all star game, it's a showcase of legitimate world class hockey talent. It's not about how swell of a gent John Scott happens to be when he's not hurting people for a living. It's also the NHL's all star game, they can do with it as they please. If they don't want a guy like Scott representing the league in what is a basically a corporate schmoozing event, it's really their prerogative. I have to say, I'm really looking forward to 1-2 months from now when everyone has forgotten about this completely.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

He is a great guy because he does all kinds of charity work and is a generally nice guy.

The only way guys like Scott can make the NHL is by pushing the envelope and gooning it up. Are his on-ice actions defensible? Some are, a lot aren't. I get that.

Several people here have posted things defending John Scott "the person" and not "the player" but you can't seem to distinguish the two. John Scott, the person, is a great guy, and if you try to discount his off-ice actions and personality because of his on-ice actions, I'm calling into question your character.

PK Subban is a whiny little baby on the ice, but look at what he does off ice. Giroux is pretty well respected on the ice, but I have heard he is quite the dink otherwise.

So Scott is a good guy off the ice. That's awesome, great for him! Tell the NHL to send him there as a person and not a player and I'm 100% behind it. The thing is, people want him to play and when he's on the ice he's a complete POS. Sure, he has to "push the envelope" to have a spot in the NHL but he's gone too far.

Maybe it was a poor choice of words on my part (wouldn't be the first time and likely won't be the last), I'm sure he's a good human being and I admire the fact that he does so much charity work. It's kinda funny that it seems guys who make league min do more charity work than the guys who make a few mil more.

I just can't stand him as a hockey player and I think honoring him in any way for the things he does on the ice is not only a mistake but it's sending the wrong message to the fans and players. He's responsible for too many injuries to trust on the ice.

[t0rrent98]

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/01/17...-minor-leagues

Another article on John Scott. His mother in law thinks this will likely end his career now as an NHLer. Also says that John Scott deserves to be in the ASG because the fans have spoken.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/01/17...-minor-leagues

Another article on John Scott. His mother in law thinks this will likely end his career now as an NHLer. Also says that John Scott deserves to be in the ASG because the fans have spoken.

He's a 33 year old enforcer. How many years did he really have left?

[Poe969]

lol this isn't what'll end his career...him being terrible and the game evolving to take out players like him is what's going to end his career.

Honest question and funny way to look at it; Would you want Scott on your NHL team? The answer should be the same for the all star game IMO.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Poe969

lol this isn't what'll end his career...him being terrible and the game evolving to take out players like him is what's going to end his career.

Honest question and funny way to look at it; Would you want Scott on your NHL team? The answer should be the same for the all star game IMO.

Maybe next year when this happens again, they can have a 23 man all star roster and make 3 players a healthy scratch.

[Poe969]

This won't happen again, they'll either edit the way you can vote or they'll rig the results.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Honest question and funny way to look at it; Would you want Scott on your NHL team? The answer should be the same for the all star game IMO.

Not really, because the all star game doesn't have any affect on the playoff race.

Originally Posted by Poe969

This won't happen again, they'll either edit the way you can vote or they'll rig the results.

Yea, definitely won't happen again. I bet they make it so you can only vote for certain players that they hand picked. Maybe 3-4 from each team.

[Poe969]

But the all star game should be about icing a team of stars. It's not called the "mostly stars and one guy who can't crack an NHL lineup" game.

[codynw]

Who cares though? At the end of the day, the game is not even a little bit important.

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by Poe969

It's kinda funny that it seems guys who make league min do more charity work than the guys who make a few mil more.

It seems to be the trend. Guys who make league minimum are, in all likelihood, just happy to be playing in the NHL. They usually make the NHL through hard work and determination, and not on skill alone. Some psychologist could probably make more sense of it than I can, but I speculate these guys are more likely to do charitable work, etc because they are happier to be in the NHL. Happier in the sense that they might feel it's a miracle they are in the Show, vs the stars who might possibly feel like it is more of a right because they are so highly skilled. I don't really know...,

But getting back on point, I was more chuffed about the "lack of character" comments hat have been made about Scott. I'm not a fan of his plays on-ice, nor am I defending his right to play in the ASG. Whether or not he plays in the ASG won't influence my decision to watch one way or the other. I'm simply trying to defend the person that is John Scott.

Actually, I'm split on watching the ASG. I'd watch of Scott, Gio, or Johnny are Cap'n. If someone else is named Cap'n of the Pacific, I probably won't watch.

I have to say though, I seem to recall when Scott played for Chicago, he payed out someone with a huge, legal hit. The other player (I want to say they played for Boston) was shaken up but not hurt. The play was whistled down and Scott helped him up and patted him on the shoulder or head. One good deed doesn't outweigh the bad he's done though, I know.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Also I just heard Elliott Friedman get all ornery with the morning guys and go on a 5 minute rant about how Scott doesn't deserve to be there, no one wants him there, everyone is just making fun of him and that Maloney didn't want to trade him but Arizona desperately needed the roster spot. Apparently Maloney wouldn't be the bad guy and send Scott down. Good decision that was!!

I thought Friedman was missing the point (maybe he isn't and I'm missing the point). I'm assuming that the fans who voted for Scott were making fun of the NHL and the All Star Game in particular. Scott just happened to be the player they chose to vote for to make a mokery of the All Star Game. The fans who voted for him are not laughing at him, they are laughing at the All Star Game.

[t0rrent98]

What happens if you replace John Scott with Brian Mcgrattan? Would it still be the same or different? I'm sure at the end of the day, Mcgrattan will likely be in the same boat as J Scott is right now.

[Poe969]

In one of the other threads, someone blew up about people saying things like that. "you don't speak for everyone so don't say it like it's fact" or something like that, I'm way to lazy to look it up right now.

The people who are saying it doesn't matter or who cares or that the game isn't important shouldn't vote. I can bet that about everyone who actually likes the all star game doesn't want Scott there and that most of his supporters have the view that the game isn't important. It's the "I don't like it so no one can" or "stop liking what I don't like" kind of thing.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

I thought Friedman was missing the point (maybe he isn't and I'm missing the point). I'm assuming that the fans who voted for Scott were making fun of the NHL and the All Star Game in particular. Scott just happened to be the player they chose to vote for to make a mokery of the All Star Game. The fans who voted for him are not laughing at him, they are laughing at the All Star Game.

and the NHL in general. Other sports aren't voting just anyone into their all-star game. Yes Kansas City tried to vote the entire Royals team in while hosting but that's different. People are not trying to vote James Jones into the NBA all-star game because he made 5 Finals in a row.