UPD: NHL announces Scott WILL captain the Pacific team

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Well that should end that. But it won't

it does.

although i think even with the trade, they could have let him play.

[Yanda]

How to fix the ASG
- Make it the ONLY outdoor game for the next 5 years.
- Give 10% of the ticket sales to the players of the winning team
- Give 2.5% of the ticket sales to the players of the losing team.
- Hold the ASG at NFL stadiums with NFL quality cameras.
- Mic up half the players
- Eliminate Fan voting, there will be a joke vote every year.

Feel free to comment or contribute.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Yanda

How to fix the ASG
- Make it the ONLY outdoor game for the next 5 years.
- Give 10% of the ticket sales to the players of the winning team
- Give 2.5% of the ticket sales to the players of the losing team.
- Hold the ASG at NFL stadiums with NFL quality cameras.
- Mic up half the players
- Eliminate Fan voting, there will be a joke vote every year.

Feel free to comment or contribute.

(1) Give the winning conference home ice advantage in the stanley cup playoffs
(2) state that only teams from the conference that wins the game are eligible for the first overall pick.

Guaranteed that fans from the 24 teams still in the playoff race will tune in. And all the teams in the hunt for the first overall will also tune in.

[djsFlames]

Any of the participating parties could've found/worked out a way for Scott's vote in to be honored. But they didn't.

Arizona is no good
Montreal is no good
NHL is no good

The guy had come around and embraced it, his family and friends were excited for him. Had twins on the way at the time of the game which would've been an awesome story and instead of that happening for him, the guy now has to uproot his family. That just plain sucks all around. The Habs could've agreed to hold off and honor the proposal with the Yotes, or could've maneuvered their roster to carry him as an extra F or something prior to the event just to allow him to play. But nope.. "business" I guess. Pulling the trigger now on a minor tweak level trade was worth giving a slap in the face to the fans of the league? If you say so. This works out just too perfectly for the leauge in the end.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I think we need a montage of John Scott with Sarah McLachlan's "will you remember me?" playing in the background.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

(1) Give the winning conference home ice advantage in the stanley cup playoffs
(2) state that only teams from the conference that wins the game are eligible for the first overall pick.

Guaranteed that fans from the 24 teams still in the playoff race will tune in. And all the teams in the hunt for the first overall will also tune in.

hmmm if you make the ASG mean something you'll need 3rd line checkers. It's not like baseball where the game doesn't change much (battle between pitcher and batter)

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

it does.

although i think even with the trade, they could have let him play.

Could they? No player has ever played in an NHL sanctioned game without being on a current NHL roster or signed to an emergency 1 day contract in the case of a goaltender. It would cost them a fortune in insurance just to make it possible for Scott to participate, likely millions. Frankly it's not worth the time or money to make sure the worst player in the NHL gets to go to the game over a joke.

[PepsiFree]

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

It would cost them a fortune in insurance just to make it possible for Scott to participate, likely millions.

Surely the NHL and AHL insurance policies must crossover?

[Philly06Cup]

Hypothetical

Instead of 1 John Scott, what if there were 4. Gazdic, Torres, Scott, and Burrows are somehow the top vote getters and all 'earn' their way into the all star game. Would you Scott sympathizers want the NHL to do something about that. What if there were 10 ###### pylons voted in. Or the entire ASG roster. I think you have to draw the line somewhere. Even at 1 idiot trolljob, I would want the NHL to step in.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

So the NHL voting can't determine who is a bot and throw those votes out? Wasn't there an 'are you a real person" captcha test? Is the website designed by a 5 year old?

I'd bet that even a 5-year old would know to put a captcha in there. Bettman's pals though....maybe not so much.

Face it folks, the NHL is a bush league run by one guy who listens only to thirty others. They rake in huge piles of cash (mostly, anyway, except for the few money-losers), Bettman makes his $7-8 million a year - do you really think any of them care about John Scott? He's not even worth a fart in a bathtub to them.

Unfortunately, on the human scale, he is a person with feelings, family and hopes and dreams of his own. That he's something of a thug, well, that's how he made it to the NHL - don't blame him for doing what the coaches wanted to get there. He's not rich, he's not a star.

But he IS still a human being worthy of consideration as such. And he's been badly treated by all concerned.

[Jacks]

If you're going to post a (massive) RIP pic of Scott at least put him in a Coyotes uniform.

[Singularity]

Although John Scott didn't deserve to be there, this is ruling by the NHL absolutely unacceptable, it tries to correct it's own mistakes by screwing with the player rather than accepting the facts and change it in the future. What is the point of a voting system anyways if the guy with the most votes loses?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

I'd bet that even a 5-year old would know to put a captcha in there. Bettman's pals though....maybe not so much.

Face it folks, the NHL is a bush league run by one guy who listens only to thirty others. They rake in huge piles of cash (mostly, anyway, except for the few money-losers), Bettman makes his $7-8 million a year - do you really think any of them care about John Scott? He's not even worth a fart in a bathtub to them.

Unfortunately, on the human scale, he is a person with feelings, family and hopes and dreams of his own. That he's something of a thug, well, that's how he made it to the NHL - don't blame him for doing what the coaches wanted to get there. He's not rich, he's not a star.

But he IS still a human being worthy of consideration as such. And he's been badly treated by all concerned.

Won't someone think of poor John Scott!?! Poor fella, he pretty much epitomizes human suffering. I wonder if someone has started a gofundme for him yet?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Singularity

Although John Scott didn't deserve to be there, this is ruling by the NHL absolutely unacceptable, it tries to correct it's own mistakes by screwing with the player rather than accepting the facts and change it in the future. What is the point of a voting system anyways if the guy with the most votes loses?

What ruling?

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by getbak

Or, it could have just been a hockey trade, plain and simple.

Arizona is right up against the 50 contract limit, so if they were taking on two contracts, they had to move out two. Scott makes league-minimum and was the Coyotes lowest-paid player, and he was contributing nothing to the team in Arizona or in the AHL.


It's crazy to think that this whole three-way trade was pulled off just to bury John Scott in the AHL.

I would have agreed that it was just a hockey trade, except when you have someone as respected as Bob McKenzie, who doesn't normally like to stir things up or just throw things out there saying that including Scott in this deal was partially because of the all-star situation that's enough for me to believe that it was more than just a hockey trade.

Of course, Don Cherry went way overboard yesterday. That was as bizarre a sequence as I've ever seen (including Cherry hyping up the all-star game, an event he's refused to attend pretty much since starting with CBC).

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

What ruling?

That he's ineligible to play because he was traded to another conference, in spite of the precedent to the contrary (Ozolinsh in 2003 and Bernie Nicholls in 1980).

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That he's ineligible to play because he was traded to another conference, in spite of the precedent to the contrary (Ozolinsh in 2003 and Bernie Nicholls in 1980).

I would think the more apt ruling would be he can't participate in the NHL ASG because he isn't even in the NHL nor will he ever be for the rest of this season.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Well, in that case, there is no precedent, except to say there are at least two examples where the NHL has treated a selected player as being where he was when he was selected (e.g. in that original conference), and ignored where he was by the time the game came around. But even this I find suspect; he was up and down from the AHL while he was a member of the Coyotes, too, and there was no indication he wouldn't be able to play because of it before this trade.

Regardless of the reason they choose to give, they still have to declare him ineligible to play, which is an inherently arbitrary decision.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

But even this I find suspect; he was up and down from the AHL while he was a member of the Coyotes, too, and there was no indication he wouldn't be able to play because of it before this trade.

That's not true.

Before the trade happened:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sport...vers/78746098/

To make room for Connauton, the Coyotes sent John Scott to the American Hockey League. Scott will be recalled in "next day or so," coach Dave Tippett said.

Arizona had roster flexibility with Scott since he had already cleared waivers. Once Scott is back on the roster, the Coyotes expect him to go to All-Star Game, where he has been voted a captain by the fans.

Asked about Scott's participation in All-Star Game amid this roster move, Tippett said, "That has nothing to do with that."

The Coyotes expect to have Scott back on roster by Friday, which would enable him to go to the All-Star Game.

It had been established that Scott would need to be on a NHL roster to attend the ASG before the trade.