2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[GB70]

Originally Posted by Karl

No. Nurse is Phaneuf lite 2.0. Cowen is even worse. Like way worse.

Cowen is MAYBE a borderline NHL calibre defenseman. Can't skate or handle the puck at all.

I stand corrected , thanks on the clarity. Don't watch too many sens games.

[Vinny01]

Cowen for Wideman? Both have a year left on their contract and the Flames save $2.1M in cap next season. Wideman likely plays higher up on the Sens depth chart and Cowen plus the 4-6 role in Calgary (#4 if Russell is moved)

[Karl]

Originally Posted by GB70

I stand corrected , thanks on the clarity. Don't watch too many sens games.

Right now the Sens have only 2 D-men who are actually decent. One is of course Erik Karlsson, who is awesome offensively but still rather weak defensively, and Marc Methot is very solid.

The rest of their D-men are pretty crappy and Cowen is probably their worst at this point.

[sureLoss]

Garioch "rumors":
http://www.ottawasun.com/2016/01/16/...y-sell-or-hold

Eyes are on Ladd and Byfuglien
Jets offered 6 year $6million per at start of season, and likely deal will get done.
Nobody is optimistic about Byfuglien who is set to cash-in as an UFA

Blues have put contract talks with Backes on hold
Wants a big raise

Sense is Hamonic won't be traded until the draft.
Also likely Isles keep pending UFA Okposo past the deadline

Have to wonder what the Canucks will do with Vrbata, Hamhuis, and Y. Weber

Blues, Wild and Ducks have the pieces Yzerman wants for Drouin
Yzerman might try to add Carle to Drouin

After dealing Johansen, Blue Jackets might be interested in a center like Lars Eller

[flamesforcup]

would u guys be interested in signing campbell from florida to a 1 or 2 year deal if russel leaves. Would round out our top 4 VERY nicely as hes a good number 3 and vet to mentor hamilton.
giordano-brodie
campbell-hamilton
maybe something like 10 mill over 2 years?

[Buff]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

would u guys be interested in signing campbell from florida to a 1 or 2 year deal if russel leaves. Would round out our top 4 VERY nicely as hes a good number 3 and vet to mentor hamilton.
giordano-brodie
campbell-hamilton
maybe something like 10 mill over 2 years?

I
If we can't afford to keep Russell then we can't afford to sign his replacement for the same price that Russell will be close to getting.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

would u guys be interested in signing campbell from florida to a 1 or 2 year deal if russel leaves. Would round out our top 4 VERY nicely as hes a good number 3 and vet to mentor hamilton.
giordano-brodie
campbell-hamilton
maybe something like 10 mill over 2 years?

I'd consider signing Campbell but if that's the money it will take to get him then no thanks.

[Samonadreau]

^Campbell will be 37 at the start of next season. Pretty Risky. Thats a lot of money.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

would u guys be interested in signing campbell from florida to a 1 or 2 year deal if russel leaves. Would round out our top 4 VERY nicely as hes a good number 3 and vet to mentor hamilton.
giordano-brodie
campbell-hamilton
maybe something like 10 mill over 2 years?

He's 36 years old now. Not sure he's going to be a top 4 d-man for 2 years. If Russell is dealt and we don't replace him then I'd imagine Wideman will move up.

Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Wideman

or

Brodie-Hamilton
Giordano-Wideman

I know some wouldn't like that but Wideman has played well in the top 4 in the past. Some d-men play better with more minutes and I think he can be one of those.

Campbell is like another Wideman IMO. Not sure he's a significant upgrade on Dennis.

[Caged Great]

Campbell would be a good transition player to target as a veteran #4, sort of like when the Flames got Hamrlik. Campbell would be a huge upgrade over Russell as he can play defense effectively. It would also take pressure off #5 and #6 after Wideman/Smid/Engelland's contracts expire next year assuming that Kylington and Kulak are candidates for those spots.

[Anduril]

Definitely more realistic to be adding another veteran player as a #4 than a Harmonic who can grow with the team. Too bad the physical size and role aspects aren't really met by Campbell.

[killer_carlson]

I think we're going to be sellers.

A lot of teams are going to wait for the break, but there might be better deals to be made if you're the first seller on the market.

[browna]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think we're going to be sellers.

A lot of teams are going to wait for the break, but there might be better deals to be made if you're the first seller on the market.

Could be, but in this division, no team is that far out of it (though there are 6 weeks to go before the deadline).

Selling all the vets doesn't give a great message. The Gio thing last year was a rallying thing; the loss of Russel, while not devastating, wouldn't be that same rallying point.

Same with losing physical guys like Jones; you're not replacing that experience with a guy from the farm for a playoff race run, and Jones was huge in the playoffs last year.

Ditching Hudler, if the return is even there depending on his injury and fitness condition, same thing...the skill, experience, and chemistry he had last year with JG and SM is not going replaced.

It'll be a balancing act...return has to be factored in, but the bigger question is, similar to last year. If the Flames are still in the relative hunt, with 5 weeks to go in the season at the end of Feb; is the run of chasing the playoffs, and making them, thus making/developing the young guys "better" and making the team better in the long term vs. ditching the season by dumping multiple vets, and getting some building pieces that will turn out in 2-5 years?

Last year it was only Glencross really on his way out, and it was a feel good thing for fans and probably teammates, so that he could see a pay day and a Cup run....this year, the mood will be different, as mentioned, if Hudler, Jones, Russell etc are all flipped for picks in advance of any stretch run, and IMO, don't see the Flames making the playoffs if they sell everyone who's going to be a FA.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by browna

Could be, but in this division, no team is that far out of it (though there are 6 weeks to go before the deadline).

Selling all the vets doesn't give a great message. The Gio thing last year was a rallying thing; the loss of Russel, while not devastating, wouldn't be that same rallying point.

Same with losing physical guys like Jones; you're not replacing that experience with a guy from the farm for a playoff race run, and Jones was huge in the playoffs last year.

Ditching Hudler, if the return is even there depending on his injury and fitness condition, same thing...the skill, experience, and chemistry he had last year with JG and SM is not going replaced.

It'll be a balancing act...return has to be factored in, but the bigger question is, similar to last year. If the Flames are still in the relative hunt, with 5 weeks to go in the season at the end of Feb; is the run of chasing the playoffs, and making them, thus making/developing the young guys "better" and making the team better in the long term vs. ditching the season by dumping multiple vets, and getting some building pieces that will turn out in 2-5 years?

Last year it was only Glencross really on his way out, and it was a feel good thing for fans and probably teammates, so that he could see a pay day and a Cup run....this year, the mood will be different, as mentioned, if Hudler, Jones, Russell etc are all flipped for picks in advance of any stretch run, and IMO, don't see the Flames making the playoffs if they sell everyone who's going to be a FA.

I don't it makes sense to compare this years situation to last years. Last year, we were in a play off spot for a large part of the season and deserved to be there from pretty early on. This season, we've had a few days here and there sat in the play off spots, but we have no played consistently like a play off team all season, even during that home winning streak or that December winning streak. We aren't consistent enough and there are many many issues with our game that needs attention, not to mention the holes in the roster that need addressing.

We flipped Glencross and we had enough left to make the play offs. But then we were in an excellent position to do so. This season, we just aren't, even in a rubbish division. We can't make the play offs if we get rid of Russell and Hudler. But I don't think we'll make it if we keep them either. I don't think we should give up trying this season, but I don't think it makes any sense to hold these players in the hope of making the play offs. The end goal should be to build a contender, not a play off bubble team. Those 2 in particular have to be flipped if possible, regardless of our position come the deadline or come the point when a serious offer comes in.

[Caged Great]

Even if they do sell off, it's only a temporary thing for a couple months. Leadership can be replaced. Look at the Panthers, they sold off a lot of their veterans and brought in guys like Jagr, Mitchell, Bolland to replace the rest of the guys and they are doing a great job in transitioning the team into a playoff calibre club. Calgary could easily sell off 7-8 guys and replace them in the offseason with a couple veteran forwards/D-men. Just depends on what's available when you get there.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

would u guys be interested in signing campbell from florida to a 1 or 2 year deal if russel leaves. Would round out our top 4 VERY nicely as hes a good number 3 and vet to mentor hamilton.
giordano-brodie
campbell-hamilton
maybe something like 10 mill over 2 years?

Not at that cap hit!

3.9M over 2Y (1.75M AAV) is what I'd be willing to pay Campbell at his age. Throw in a performance bonus to max that hap hit off at 2.5M at best.

[hockey.modern]

Don't know how reliable this is:
https://twitter.com/travisyost/statu...68830231064576

@Travisyost: One thing I have consistently heard in the last couple of weeks is Jared Cowen and Calgary.

[JJ1532]

Calling BS on that one. Not unless Russell or Wideman are going back the other way.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Calling BS on that one. Not unless Russell or Wideman are going back the other way.

On HFboards someone posted this trade and it seems like both sides don't mind it.

Chaisson + Cowen + Michalek

for

Russell + Smid + Colborne

Michalek and Cowen have a 7.1 mil cap hit next year while Chaisson is RFA

Smid makes 3.5, Russell is done and Colborne is RFA.

Both Chaisson and Colby should get 1.25-1.5

So it would be like signing Michalek for 3.5 mil on a 1 year deal while swapping out Smid for Cowen.

Seems not too bad. Lots of spare parts that could use a change of scenery.

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not at that cap hit!

3.9M over 2Y (1.75M AAV) is what I'd be willing to pay Campbell at his age. Throw in a performance bonus to max that hap hit off at 2.5M at best.

ya i was just spit balling but hes making 7.5 rn i highly doubt he would go down too 2.5