[Signing] Kings sign Kopitar to 8 yr extension. $10 mil AAV

[heep223]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I don't think there is any forward in the league that I would definitely want more than Kopitar moving forward. Toews, Kane, Crosby, Tavares, maybe Seguin and until this year Getzlaf would be about equal with him for me.

Add to your list Benn, Ovechkin, Tarasenko, Pavelski and possibly Malkin.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The point of hockey is to win the cup. He is a 2 time winner, and the Captain of the team. They are not a rebuilding team.

What good does 10 million in cap room do when you are now missing this type of player. Who would they sign?

Look at last years FA crop. Good players don't make it to FA anymore.

LA doesn't care what their cap looks like in 5 years when their core is all late 30's. They can trade the players then and retain and rebuild if they suck.

I was also just wondering, I wonder if one of the "sacrificial lambs" will be sacrificed in the expansion draft? Maybe a expansion team might want a brand name and pick up Carter or Gaborik to get some ticket sales going early. Its not like a expansion team will have cap problems.

They are probably stuck with Dustin Brown though...

[automaton 3]

Nice deal for Kopitar and I hope he gets a full nmc too.

The Kings look to have some trouble in a few year's time, but are clearly in their win-now window.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Yeah, Kopitar is a very good player but certainly not Top 5, but to each their own.

Guys I have ahead of him would probably be Toews, Kane, Benn, Seguin, Ovechkin, Crosby, Tavares, Price and Keith.

[sureLoss]

Kings announce deal is now official.

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Kopitar year by year: $14 mil, $13 mil, $12 mil, $11mil, $8mil, $8mil,$7mil,$7 mil. No move clause immediately and first 4 yrs.

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Last 4 yrs of Kopitar extension protected by limited no trade clause.

[calgarybornnraised]

Wow.

[Gaudfather]

$80 million over eight years - well done Mr. Kopitar!

[GreenLantern2814]

#1C 28 years old 2 rings plays in all situations.

Pay da man.

[burn_this_city]

Terrible contract for the Kings.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Terrible contract for the Kings.

Okay. If they don't sign him, who are they going to get to be their #1C? They're smack in the middle of their contending window and they've already won twice with him.

7x7 for a Bobby Ryan, Dion Phaneuf or 8x8 for a guy like Kessel, these are bad contracts. Because you'll never win with guys like that carrying the mail for you.

When Kopitar carries the mail, the Kings win Stanley Cups. He's worth his money.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Okay. If they don't sign him, who are they going to get to be their #1C? They're smack in the middle of their contending window and they've already won twice with him.

7x7 for a Bobby Ryan, Dion Phaneuf or 8x8 for a guy like Kessel, these are bad contracts. Because you'll never win with guys like that carrying the mail for you.

When Kopitar carries the mail, the Kings win Stanley Cups. He's worth his money.

Just because they won Stanley Cups in the past does not mean they will continue to do so in the future. The jury is still out whether or not this will help result in another cup. Truthfully, on its own, the Kopitar contract isn't the end of the world. However, when lined up against their 5-6 other terrible deals, it helps paints a cloudy picture. It won't look so good if it contributes to them losing Toffoli.

[442scotty]

I think he's good but not worth the money. Time will tell

[Calgary4LIfe]

Tough contract for any team to swallow, but the Kings were damned if they did, damned if they didn't.

I would bet there would be a few teams offering that deal in the off-season (though 7 years instead of 8 of course). He is 'worth it', but I do agree it is a handcuffing-type of deal organizationally. Forces a team to scrutinize their player management that much more, and places even more importance on ensuring they draft well and have good players coming up on cheaper contracts.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Just because they won Stanley Cups in the past does not mean they will continue to do so in the future. The jury is still out whether or not this will help result in another cup. Truthfully, on its own, the Kopitar contract isn't the end of the world. However, when lined up against their 5-6 other terrible deals, it helps paints a cloudy picture. It won't look so good if it contributes to them losing Toffoli.

Past success is a guarantee of nothing, but without Kopitar the odds of a third championship drop off a cliff. Doughty, Kopitar and Quick are all still under 30. Jeff Carter is 31 (seriously. Jeff Carter is 31?) Darryl is still the coach.

They have bad contracts - franchise players aren't bad contracts. Anze Kopitar is a franchise player, and he has the hardware to back it up. These guys are almost always worth their money.

Only on the internet is it worth losing Anze Kopitar to retain the services of Tyler Toffoli. Who's 23 years old, and has a career high of 49 points.

[Soliak]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Past success is a guarantee of nothing, but without Kopitar the odds of a third championship drop off a cliff. Doughty, Kopitar and Quick are all still under 30. Jeff Carter is also still in his 20s. Darryl is still the coach.

They have bad contracts - franchise players aren't bad contracts. Anze Kopitar is a franchise player, and he has the hardware to back it up. These guys are almost always worth their money.

Only on the internet is it worth losing Anze Kopitar to retain the services of Tyler Toffoli. Who's 23 years old, and has a career high of 49 points.

Toffoli is 8th in goal scoring this season at 21 goals. He will blow last years point total out of the water this year and is +24(#1 in the NHL). He's a great player, I am sure they will find a way to retain him. Agree though, they had to sign him no matter what. It's a good deal.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Past success is a guarantee of nothing, but without Kopitar the odds of a third championship drop off a cliff. Doughty, Kopitar and Quick are all still under 30. Jeff Carter is 31 (seriously. Jeff Carter is 31?) Darryl is still the coach.

They have bad contracts - franchise players aren't bad contracts. Anze Kopitar is a franchise player, and he has the hardware to back it up. These guys are almost always worth their money.

Only on the internet is it worth losing Anze Kopitar to retain the services of Tyler Toffoli. Who's 23 years old, and has a career high of 49 points.

Ya I agree as per the last 3 sentences of my post. Kopitar or not, there is potential for trying times ahead in LA. Imagine if they re-sign Lucic? Like I said, it's more the accumulation of so many other bad contracts that might make this one a tough pill for LA down the road, especially if Kopitar takes any kind of a step back over the next 8 years.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Soliak

Toffoli is 8th in goal scoring this season at 21 goals. He will blow last years point total out of the water this year and is +24(#1 in the NHL). He's a great player, I am sure they will find a way to retain him. Agree though, they had to sign him no matter what. It's a good deal.

Tyler Toffoli is a very good player. But he will never be able to impact the game on a nightly basis the way Kopitar does.

LA should probably sell high on Toffoli - he seems like a Brandon Saad level player. High quality, but not 'the guy'. Get younger, cost controlled talent and some desperately needed salary flexibility.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Ya I agree as per the last 3 sentences of my post. Kopitar or not, there is potential for trying times ahead in LA. Imagine if they re-sign Lucic? Like I said, it's more the accumulation of so many other bad contracts that might make this one a tough pill for LA down the road, especially if Kopitar takes any kind of a step back over the next 8 years.

Yes... only potential. The real problem isn't Kopitar, its Brown, Gaborik and maybe Carter. But in 3 years (this year not inclusive) but Brown and Carter's cap hit drop to $3M making them prime for team looking to reach the cap floor. The real cost during the trying times for LA may not be cap jail, but for 2 years they'll probably have to ship off some 2nd round picks.

Again... the contracts may be committing but you can't be assuming. There is also a expansion draft coming up with 2 teams that will have more cap room then opportunities, both of which need skill and name players to sell tickets. Maybe Las Vegas will see the opportunity for a star player in Jeff Carter to sell tickets. Maybe Quebec will eat the 2 years of Dustin Brown or Gaborik's contract in exchange for extra 2nd rounders as they build up their team.

Or maybe we'll see another 2 free compliance buyouts next CBA as increasing coaching costs will require a salary cap rollback, similar to last year... LA only needs 3 get-out-of-jail-free-cards, and I see 4 get-out-of-jail-free-cards opportunities coming up before they will need to package draft picks for cap dumps.

[Soliak]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Tyler Toffoli is a very good player. But he will never be able to impact the game on a nightly basis the way Kopitar does.

LA should probably sell high on Toffoli - he seems like a Brandon Saad level player. High quality, but not 'the guy'. Get younger, cost controlled talent and some desperately needed salary flexibility.

Eh I think his potential is way way higher than Saad. He's two goals off Saads best (23 goals). Could legitimately be a 35-40 goal scorer in the league. There isn't many of those. It's not like LA runs a hyper-offense system either. Do you watch the Kings much? He's pretty fkn good.

Agree on the potential sell high though. He is going to want 6-7 million.

The problem with the Kings is not Kopitars contract, it's the others.

Could get a pretty amazing return for Toffoli though.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Sorry, wrong thread.