Treliving fan 960 1/14/2016

[shotinthebacklund]

Treliving was on fan 960 this afternoon and much talk about it right now on the show.

I missed the interview and was hoping someone could fill in some bullet points for us that missed it.

[jaikorven]

^^^ Yes please

[VladtheImpaler]

I just heard the start - the record is reflective of their play - inconsistent. Expectations were higher because of what the team did and because the additions they made should have improved it. When you are relying on young players, results can be unpredictable...
Then I pulled into my garage and turned off the car...

[hockey.modern]

Will listen and post cliff notes soon

Edit: Can't find the link. Can someone link it if they find it

[sureLoss]

He also said that there is no appetite for a short term fix. Every move will be made with long term goals in mind.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

He also said that there is no appetite for a short term fix. Every move will be made with long term goals in mind.

Love hearing this.

Team can't get fooled by playing in a poor division and making mistakes to get in the playoffs (and if we are being honest it was a poor division last year too).

Still lots of improvements to be made before we are a true contender and the best way to do make those strides is to think about the long term goals.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

He also said that there is no appetite for a short term fix. Every move will be made with long term goals in mind.

When you're a few points out of last and a few points out of playoffs, you're a long ways from being in "now" mode

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

When you're a few points out of last and a few points out of playoffs, you're a long ways from being in "now" mode

Well, you could say that about LA last season. But they are back in the game, they are spending money and will likely win a couple more cups in the next 10 years. I don't quite get this long-term investment attitude for an NHL franchise business. What's long-term these days? Star forwards reaching their peak by 23-24 years of age. Star defensemen - a bit later. When DO you invest short-term and pay heavily to get a cup now? Nobody knows at the end of regulation which team has the best chances to win the cup. So, it's always gonna be somewhat a gamble. I believe this is just another politically correct way of saying: "the owners told us not to spend too much money at this point".

Not saying that a team needs to sell its best assets for questionable benefits. But to say that ALL our trades will be only for long-term benefit tells me that the team doesn't even hope for winning the cup in the near future. That's not right. I sincerely hope I am wrong assuming this.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Well, you could say that about LA last season. But they are back in the game, they are spending money and will likely win a couple more cups in the next 10 years. I don't quite get this long-term investment attitude for an NHL franchise business. What's long-term these days? Star forwards reaching their peak by 23-24 years of age. Star defensemen - a bit later. When DO you invest short-term and pay heavily to get a cup now? Nobody knows at the end of regulation which team has the best chances to win the cup. So, it's always gonna be somewhat a gamble. I believe this is just another politically correct way of saying: "the owners told us not to spend too much money at this point".

Not saying that a team needs to sell its best assets for questionable benefits. But to say that ALL our trades will be only for long-term benefit tells me that the team doesn't even hope for winning the cup in the near future. That's not right. I sincerely hope I am wrong assuming this.

You're really off.

We may have a few players reaching their peak production, but not reaching when they're playing their best hockey. Especially defensemen.

Treliving needs to accumulate assets for next year, the year after, etc because caching your chips in for a few bodies now doesn't get the flames a cup, but may in the future. Keep building.

I don't understand your reference to last year's Kings. First off, they're an anomaly. Secondly, by trading pieces for a cup run last year and missing they lost a first round pick and proved a point

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

He also said that there is no appetite for a short term fix. Every move will be made with long term goals in mind.

Glad to hear this but I already assumed this was the case. Treliving is a smart man.

[CaptainYooh]

I don't think I am really off at all. My point about LA was that they didn't accept the last year result as a "point of rebuild" and continued being a contender. My other point about long-term is that in the environment where players (assets) reaching point of maturation and useful life a lot sooner, only long-term investment strategy is not that justifiable. By the time some of your assets mature, you may not have enough money to re-sign them, their career might end unexpectedly, their production levels could change drastically etc. There are still lots of risks that, as a GM, you cannot reliably predict. So, short-term investing strategy must not be omitted entirely.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Well, you could say that about LA last season. But they are back in the game, they are spending money and will likely win a couple more cups in the next 10 years. I don't quite get this long-term investment attitude for an NHL franchise business. What's long-term these days? Star forwards reaching their peak by 23-24 years of age. Star defensemen - a bit later. When DO you invest short-term and pay heavily to get a cup now? Nobody knows at the end of regulation which team has the best chances to win the cup. So, it's always gonna be somewhat a gamble. I believe this is just another politically correct way of saying: "the owners told us not to spend too much money at this point".

Not saying that a team needs to sell its best assets for questionable benefits. But to say that ALL our trades will be only for long-term benefit tells me that the team doesn't even hope for winning the cup in the near future. That's not right. I sincerely hope I am wrong assuming this.

Except LA had just won a cup the year before and had virtually the same team that they missed the POs. Their miss was the anomaly, not the fact they are well in now.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

You're really off.

We may have a few players reaching their peak production, but not reaching when they're playing their best hockey. Especially defensemen.

Treliving needs to accumulate assets for next year, the year after, etc because caching your chips in for a few bodies now doesn't get the flames a cup, but may in the future. Keep building.

I don't understand your reference to last year's Kings. First off, they're an anomaly. Secondly, by trading pieces for a cup run last year and missing they lost a first round pick and proved a point

Kings are in their championship window - regardless of how they did last year. The Flames are not.

[edslunch]

Anybody actually hear the interview?

[trumpethead]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Kings are in their championship window - regardless of how they did last year. The Flames are not.

Wow, the Kings had better hope they are in their championship window. As of right now the Kings have exactly 3 draft picks next year (their 2nd, their 4th and their 5th). They have three declining 31+ year old forwards (Brown, Carter & Gaborik) who are each signed for 4 more seasons and collectively make $16M/year and they are about to sign the third most lucrative contract in the NHL (which will leave them with big time cap room problems for the foreseeable future).

[IgiTang]

Coles notes?

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Coles notes?

Spoiler!

[1qqaaz]

Pat Steinberg praised Burke for not trading away Cammy at a low value, and I thought Brad had an interesting response. He politely agreed, but I got that sense that it was not something he would ever do. He mentioned that it was a nice gesture to refuse to trade Cammy for nothing, and that could have increased his chance of re-signing. Other than that, it didn't seem like Brad actually liked how that turned out.

[Hackey]

Should be an interesting deadline but I'm pretty confident Treliving is willing to make the tough and right decisions.

[MrMastodonFarm]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/hockey-c...so-first-half/