[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Disagree. As long as he dominates in the AHL, his trade value will only increase. Going back to the Lightning is clearly not an option and won't influence trade talks. Obviously if Drouin struggles in the AHL, all bets are off.

First, he needs to start dominating in the AHL. He scored two goals in his first game, but has since been held off the score sheet.

When was the last time a player in the AHL commanded a big return as the centrepiece in a trade?

[Poster]

so if no one offers Yzerman what he thinks is the right return, he simply doesn't trade Drouin.

change Drouin to Bennett and see what your analysis would look like under similar circumstance!

Bennett and Raymond to TBY for Erne and Carle?

[Strange Brew]

Turris situation might help Drouin's value, not hurt it. Ottawa got a bargain in hindsight and other Gm's see that. Highly touted prospect goes on to new found success after change of scenery.

I don't think playing in the AHL hurts his value, but he needs to play well. Arguably Bennett would be in the AHL on a better NHL squad, and that might be better for his overall development.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Poster

so if no one offers Yzerman what he thinks is the right return, he simply doesn't trade Drouin.

change Drouin to Bennett and see what your analysis would look like under similar circumstance!

Bennett and Raymond to TBY for Erne and Carle?

If Bennett came out and said I don't want to play in Calgary the team is likely forced to make a bad trade. Who wants someone in the organization that wants out. If they are not all in for the Flames then go elsewhere. Also your deal is not equivalent because Tampa sends the much worse contract in Carle than the Flames send in Raymond. $5.5M for 2 more years after this than $3.15 for one more year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Poster

so if no one offers Yzerman what he thinks is the right return, he simply doesn't trade Drouin.

change Drouin to Bennett and see what your analysis would look like under similar circumstance!

Bennett and Raymond to TBY for Erne and Carle?

Except that's not the case. The situation between Drouin and Cooper is ugly, and getting worse with time. Now that things have gone this far, it is safe to assume that Drouin is already gone emotionally - he's just waiting to hear where he's going at this point.

With respect to the Johansen trade, I think there are 2 differences:

1) he already has a 70 point season - he is clearly a #1 C (we don't yet know what Drouin is), and

2) Columbus was extremely fortunate that there was a team with the exact need that they were offering - and an abundance of defensemen (desired payment) as currency. It was one of those rare trades where things just aligned perfectly.

Could the same thing happen for Tampa? Sure, but it is far from a certainty.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Monahan/Hamilton for stamkos Drouin?

I wouldn't trade Monahan for Stamkos straight up, let alone Dougie for Drouin.

Right now Stamkos is a better hockey player than Monahan (his struggles after coming back from injury aside), but by the time the Flames are actually contenders in 2-3 years, Stamkos will be past his prime while Monahan will just be entering it.

Hamilton, is a top pairing D-man now on most teams, with even more potential to get better over the next 2-3 years, for a former first rounder that has had trouble cracking an NHL lineup after a few years trying (even a deep one), is ludicrous.

Interested to see if people think I have the homer glasses firmly attached here or not.

[Poe969]

THe other thing is contracts. Stamkos is going to want a billion dollars and I don't think he's worth it right now. I wouldn't trade Dougie right now, I think he's just coming into his own and I think he's going to be amazing, players like him don't come along too often.

I'd take Drouin but I wouldn't give up a lot for him. I don't think I'd want Stamkos though just because of his next contract.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by heep223

I wouldn't trade Monahan for Stamkos straight up, let alone Dougie for Drouin.

Right now Stamkos is a better hockey player than Monahan (his struggles after coming back from injury aside), but by the time the Flames are actually contenders in 2-3 years, Stamkos will be past his prime while Monahan will just be entering it.

Hamilton, is a top pairing D-man now on most teams, with even more potential to get better over the next 2-3 years, for a former first rounder that has had trouble cracking an NHL lineup after a few years trying (even a deep one), is ludicrous.

Interested to see if people think I have the homer glasses firmly attached here or not.

Not to mention, Stamkos is a rental that most likely (IMO) will leave in the off season. Would be an absolute terrible trade.

For Drouin I don't see the Flames having the pieces available that would be required to complete this trade.

i.e. Brodie, Bennett etc are core pieces that the GM won't move.

[My2Cents]

Originally Posted by heep223

I wouldn't trade Monahan for Stamkos straight up, let alone Dougie for Drouin.

Right now Stamkos is a better hockey player than Monahan (his struggles after coming back from injury aside), but by the time the Flames are actually contenders in 2-3 years, Stamkos will be past his prime while Monahan will just be entering it.

Hamilton, is a top pairing D-man now on most teams, with even more potential to get better over the next 2-3 years, for a former first rounder that has had trouble cracking an NHL lineup after a few years trying (even a deep one), is ludicrous.

Interested to see if people think I have the homer glasses firmly attached here or not.

I agree with this. Perhaps Monahan for Stamkos is fair in a vacuum but with the current situation with the flames (regarding our window to win) I wouldnt make that trade.

[Poster]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Except that's not the case. The situation between Drouin and Cooper is ugly, and getting worse with time. Now that things have gone this far, it is safe to assume that Drouin is already gone emotionally - he's just waiting to hear where he's going at this point.
.

that's your narrative and certainly not proven. many players have had their differences with a coach or city and after time it passed and they were not dealt.

in this case, TBY has no contract or regulatory pressure to make a deal. in fact the last player to put Yzerman in this predicament was Marty St Louis who had a full NMC and demanded a trade to 1 team.

you would think if Yzerman can make a good deal under those circumstances he will be pressured to deal Drouin for a poor return?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by heep223

I wouldn't trade Monahan for Stamkos straight up, let alone Dougie for Drouin.

Right now Stamkos is a better hockey player than Monahan (his struggles after coming back from injury aside), but by the time the Flames are actually contenders in 2-3 years, Stamkos will be past his prime while Monahan will just be entering it.

Hamilton, is a top pairing D-man now on most teams, with even more potential to get better over the next 2-3 years, for a former first rounder that has had trouble cracking an NHL lineup after a few years trying (even a deep one), is ludicrous.

Interested to see if people think I have the homer glasses firmly attached here or not.

There are very valid reasons not to make this trade but I disagree with the bolded part. Hamilton has a ton of potential and we are starting to see it but I think as a fan base we are over rating our D. The team is what the record says they are and I no longer think we have one of the top D corps in the league, right now. If we did, we would win more games. Hamilton is playing 5th most minutes among our defensemen last I checked. If he was good enough to be a top pairing guy right now, Hartley should be fired.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

There are very valid reasons not to make this trade but I disagree with the bolded part. Hamilton has a ton of potential and we are starting to see it but I think as a fan base we are over rating our D. The team is what the record says they are and I no longer think we have one of the top D corps in the league, right now. If we did, we would win more games. Hamilton is playing 5th most minutes among our defensemen last I checked. If he was good enough to be a top pairing guy right now, Hartley should be fired.

Well he was top pairing for the Bruins last season. This season he's behind Gio and Brodie on the depth chart but that's it IMO. Most teams don't have a Gio and Brodie quality first pairing. Anyways, we could argue about that all day.

Can I assume then that you would trade Dougie Hamilton for Drouin straight across? Sorry if you already addressed that in your previous post I can't remember.

[hockey.modern]

Hmm, rumours are saying Drouin could be traded as soon as today.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Hmm, rumours are saying Drouin could be traded as soon as today.

My guess, Blues are the likely team.

If a trade were to occur

[dammage79]

I have my tin foil hat on and think A Drouin/Hudler package is getting it done but we have to wait for Huds to be healthy. He was only supposed to be out a week. Should be any day now he gets cleared.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Hmm, rumours are saying Drouin could be traded as soon as today.

Where did you read that?

[saillias]

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 3h3 hours ago
Sure sounds like Tampa's getting closer to finalizing a Drouin trade. We shall see.

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod3h3 hours ago
Just my take, but barring a major offer, Drouin's heading west whenever he's dealt. Ducks, Blues, Preds, Avs, Flames, CHI among those in mix

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod3h3 hours ago
Asked two separate sources close to situation if a deal is expected "soon"... Both answered "yes" but wouldn't elaborate. We'll see.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I have my tin foil hat on and think A Drouin/Hudler package is getting it done but we have to wait for Huds to be healthy. He was only supposed to be out a week. Should be any day now he gets cleared.

Would love it. Obviously more going to Tampa but it would be great to add a player like that to our organization

[Strange Brew]

I would not trade Hamilton for Drouin straight up, if I'm the Flames. They are comparable prospects but Hamilton is farther along. But its an interesting starting point.

I think the Stamkos/Drouin for Hamilton/Monahan discussion is interesting. I'd have to think about that, assuming Stamkos would sign for reasonable dollars.

[JurassicTunga12]

Originally Posted by saillias

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 3h3 hours ago
Sure sounds like Tampa's getting closer to finalizing a Drouin trade. We shall see.

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod3h3 hours ago
Just my take, but barring a major offer, Drouin's heading west whenever he's dealt. Ducks, Blues, Preds, Avs, Flames, CHI among those in mix

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod3h3 hours ago
Asked two separate sources close to situation if a deal is expected "soon"... Both answered "yes" but wouldn't elaborate. We'll see.

I think the Ducks or Blues are likely to trade for him, but if not those teams, the Flames are right after them imo. We'll see.