Yeah it will, right now, I think that Sanders is looked at as a bit of an idealist and fairly honest. Clinton is looked at as a bit slimy and that she's a bit dishonest.
I also think that her relying on her husband to help her campaign makes people feel like she can't stand on her own two feet, I think she's made a miscalculation there.
I also see that Cruz has blown past Trump in Iowa which tends to be why Trump keeps talking about Cruz's naturalization claim while stating that he doesn't care about it but other people do crap.
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Sanders is the best and worst thing that could happen tot he US.
Best because, well policy-wise they need someone like him. Worst because the vast majority of Americans don't realize that, associate any sort of social-leaning policy as communist, and I fully expect at least a few violent protests from people like the Oregon nutjobs.
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I also think that her relying on her husband to help her campaign makes people feel like she can't stand on her own two feet, I think she's made a miscalculation there.
Bill Clinton has been the best option for President pretty much since he left office. He should just run again.
Sanders is the best and worst thing that could happen tot he US.
Best because, well policy-wise they need someone like him. Worst because the vast majority of Americans don't realize that, associate any sort of social-leaning policy as communist, and I fully expect at least a few violent protests from people like the Oregon nutjobs.
Yeah, even if he's elected he won't be able to push his agenda through. The republicans will be controlling congress and likely the senate for the foreseeable future. He would be a lame duck president from day one.
Rightly or wrongly the release of this Michael Bay Benghazi film will probably hurt her as well.
I think the last thing a Michael Bay movie is going to do is inspire critical thought.
It would be interesting to have a US president who's so far left. Perhaps it will pull the political spectrum down there back to the centre as a result. Granted, he'll never be able to get anything done with that Congress anyway.
I think the last thing a Michael Bay movie is going to do is inspire critical thought.
It would be interesting to have a US president who's so far left. Perhaps it will pull the political spectrum down there back to the centre as a result. Granted, he'll never be able to get anything done with that Congress anyway.
Not critical thought but it will once again put Benghazi into the spotlight and there's no good way to spin that. It will negatively impact her in the media narrative and that's all that really matters.
Yeah, but Benghazi was in the spotlight for 4 years and it didn't rate. I legitimately don't think the independent American voter cares at all about Benghazi. The only people it will rile up are the ones who were never voting for her anyway.
Yeah, even if he's elected he won't be able to push his agenda through. The republicans will be controlling congress and likely the senate for the foreseeable future. He would be a lame duck president from day one.
Obama's been able to get some things done under the same circumstances so I wouldn't think he'd be a lame duck.
The problem I have with Sanders is that if he wins the nomination, I don't think he can win the election, whereas Hillary can. Not that Hillary is a shoe in.
how about you/your family stand up at your mosque and denounce groups like ISIS, defend woman's rights and thank your lucky stars you live in a truly free country where all you really have to worry about is how much taxes you pay.
I love this sentiment, and how it demonstrates how little understanding you have of... anything.
This is like telling a bunch of Baptists in Australia in the 1970s that they should be speaking out in their church against the violence going on in Northern Ireland.
Obama's been able to get some things done under the same circumstances so I wouldn't think he'd be a lame duck.
The problem I have with Sanders is that if he wins the nomination, I don't think he can win the election, whereas Hillary can. Not that Hillary is a shoe in.
I don't know. The republicans may nominate a number of different crazies to which anyone may be able to beat once we are into the general election.
So, Sanders could win vs a few of them, however, he won't beat Hillary.
Sanders is only providing some sort of competition for Hillary, and getting his ideas into the national dialog- which is commendable.
So Kasich is showing signs of a mini-surge in New Hampshire. Which may be irrelevant, unless you think that the establishment wing has to unify around somebody at some point. I think Kasich is more electable than most Republican candidates, and if he were able to beat Christie, Rubio, and every other establishment guy in NH, he certainly would get a serious look by a lot of Republicans who have ignored him thus far.
Yeah, I think a Kasich/Rubio or Rubio/Kasich ticket would be an absolute juggernaut In the general election and would be way more conservative than casual voters realize. I'm hoping that Republicans continue to back their less-electable guys.
Clinton is a difficult candidate for the Democrats. She has name recognition and money, but lacks the likability that Obama had at this stage. She also has plenty of experience and gravitas, but with that comes the need to wear her own record, some of which isn't pretty.
On the other hand, Sanders is like Trump. He may be liked in a certain wing of his party, but on a national ballot he is likely unelectable.
Of course, in that context, a Trump-Sanders race would be downright weird. No idea how that one turns out. I have to think neither one gets through the primary to be honest.
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Clinton is a difficult candidate for the Democrats. She has name recognition and money, but lacks the likability that Obama had at this stage. She also has plenty of experience and gravitas, but with that comes the need to wear her own record, some of which isn't pretty.
On the other hand, Sanders is like Trump. He may be liked in a certain wing of his party, but on a national ballot he is likely unelectable.
Of course, in that context, a Trump-Sanders race would be downright weird. No idea how that one turns out. I have to think neither one gets through the primary to be honest.
If I wasn't afraid for all of us, I would love to see a Trump-Sanders race just to enjoy the fun.
I don't understand the narrative that Sanders is unelectable.
He might very well be unelectable, but not because of the electorate.
Most of his policy proposals are incredibly popular in a bi-partisan way. There is a ton of ground where Americans are mostly undivided, and most of those things related to the economy.
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Clinton is a difficult candidate for the Democrats. She has name recognition and money, but lacks the likability that Obama had at this stage. She also has plenty of experience and gravitas, but with that comes the need to wear her own record, some of which isn't pretty.
On the other hand, Sanders is like Trump. He may be liked in a certain wing of his party, but on a national ballot he is likely unelectable.
Of course, in that context, a Trump-Sanders race would be downright weird. No idea how that one turns out. I have to think neither one gets through the primary to be honest.
I don't like Clinton either. I don't like the money that comes into the Clinton Foundation, basically an "off the books" campaign donation, from foreign governments. I don't like the indebtedness to and fawning over the Saudis and I don't like that she's basically a political weather vane.
I still think she wins though, but who knows what happens in the next 10 months.
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I don't understand the narrative that Sanders is unelectable.
He might very well be unelectable, but not because of the electorate.
Most of his policy proposals are incredibly popular in a bi-partisan way. There is a ton of ground where Americans are mostly undivided, and most of those things related to the economy.
I think the main Sanders issue is the "Socialism" boogie man that's basically been bred into the American public for 60 years. It's ridiculous, but this is a place where millions upon millions of people vote with their bible against their best interests.
I don't understand the narrative that Sanders is unelectable.
He might very well be unelectable, but not because of the electorate.
Most of his policy proposals are incredibly popular in a bi-partisan way. There is a ton of ground where Americans are mostly undivided, and most of those things related to the economy.
Yeah but how to help it is one of the main areas where American's disagree. There is a decent subset of left-leaning people, obviously, or else a guy like Sanders wouldn't even have a sniff. But they are vastly out numbered by people who have grown up in the mindset of trickle-down and any move away from pure capitalism towards the left is borderline anti-American. No way people vote for someone who even suggests something like universal education.
Those people may be less numerous than I think, but they are certainly the loudest.
I don't understand the narrative that Sanders is unelectable.
He might very well be unelectable, but not because of the electorate.
Most of his policy proposals are incredibly popular in a bi-partisan way. There is a ton of ground where Americans are mostly undivided, and most of those things related to the economy.
In polls conducted yesterday, among all the frontrunners, Sanders beats all the GOP nominees, except Cruz, that's a virtual tie.
Iowa: Trump vs. Clinton NBC/WSJ/Marist Clinton 48, Trump 40 Clinton +8
Iowa: Trump vs. Sanders NBC/WSJ/Marist Sanders 51, Trump 38 Sanders +13
Iowa: Cruz vs. Clinton NBC/WSJ/Marist Cruz 47, Clinton 43 Cruz +4
Iowa: Cruz vs. Sanders NBC/WSJ/Marist Sanders 47, Cruz 42 Sanders +5
Iowa: Rubio vs. Clinton NBC/WSJ/Marist Rubio 47, Clinton 42 Rubio +5
Iowa: Rubio vs. Sanders NBC/WSJ/Marist Rubio 44, Sanders 44 Tie
New Hampshire: Trump vs. Clinton NBC/WSJ/Marist Clinton 45, Trump 44 Clinton +1
New Hampshire: Trump vs. Sanders NBC/WSJ/Marist Sanders 56, Trump 37 Sanders +19
New Hampshire: Cruz vs. Clinton NBC/WSJ/Marist Clinton 44, Cruz 48 Cruz +4
New Hampshire: Cruz vs. Sanders NBC/WSJ/Marist Sanders 55, Cruz 37 Sanders +18
New Hampshire: Rubio vs. Clinton NBC/WSJ/Marist Rubio 52, Clinton 40 Rubio +12
New Hampshire: Rubio vs. Sanders NBC/WSJ/Marist Sanders 50, Rubio 41 Sanders +9
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