[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[dammage79]

I just do not see Ferland as anything more than a 3rd/4th line guy. Would honestly love to be proven wrong one day. But for Ferland I think thats kind of where he was always supposed to be, and it was a real long shot for him to make, I think him making the NHL has proven way more people wrong. So thats awesome.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Embarassing.

Flash Walken's Drouin proposal

Calgary Trades:
Bouma + Russell (50% retained) + 2017 1st round pick + 3rd round pick

for

Drouin + Dominik Masin

This team needs to stop trading first round picks unless you think Hudler nets a 2017 first at deadline. I highly doubt it.

I like Ferland but believe he is being seriously overvalued. I see a future bottom 6 player. With the amount of icetime he has received we should be seeing more offensive upside. On an elite team, he is seeing very little ice time this year.

That sad, he is not the kind of guy a rebuilding team trades right now unless you are getting big upside.

[GoJetsGo]

It's really pretty simple:

If Tampa were to ask the Flames to throw Ferland into an already strong-value package for Drouin, I can see some hesitation.

If Tampa wanted him as a main piece going back in an opportunity for us to land Drouin, it's a no-brainer.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

It's really pretty simple:

If Tampa were to ask the Flames to throw Ferland into an already strong-value package for Drouin, I can see some hesitation.

If Tampa wanted him as a main piece going back in an opportunity for us to land Drouin, it's a no-brainer.

So its not that simple?!

It gets complicated on the first part and equally complicated on the 2nd.

Lets say Yzerman wants Kylington, Ferland and a 2nd? Do the Flames pull the trigger?

I don't know if I would.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

So its not that simple?!

It gets complicated on the first part and equally complicated on the 2nd.

Lets say Yzerman wants Kylington, Ferland and a 2nd? Do the Flames pull the trigger?

I don't know if I would.

Start the Car!

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[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

So its not that simple?!

It gets complicated on the first part and equally complicated on the 2nd.

Lets say Yzerman wants Kylington, Ferland and a 2nd? Do the Flames pull the trigger?

I don't know if I would.

I do that deal all day.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

So its not that simple?!

It gets complicated on the first part and equally complicated on the 2nd.

Lets say Yzerman wants Kylington, Ferland and a 2nd? Do the Flames pull the trigger?

I don't know if I would.

Not sure if you're being obtuse or not. Hard to tell.

The context of my comment was regarding the last page and the people having a difficult time determining Ferland's value.

Again, if he's asked about in reference as a sweetener, you have some reservation. If a potential deal surrounds him as a centre piece in landing Drouin, you do that deal all day long.

Some people were trying to suggest Ferland should be on our un-touchable list. There's a difference between not wanting to move him and having the ability to land a young player with elite potential.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Not sure if you're being obtuse or not. Hard to tell.

The context of my comment was regarding the last page and the people having a difficult time determining Ferland's value.

Again, if he's asked about in reference as a sweetener, you have some reservation. If a potential deal surrounds him as a centre piece in landing Drouin, you do that deal all day long.

Some people were trying to suggest Ferland should be on our un-touchable list. There's a difference between not wanting to move him and having the ability to land a young player with elite potential.

I guess I was to a certain degree.

But it is a bit more complicated than that. Currently Ferland offers more and has done more to earn a spot in the NHL. Drouin could turn out to be the next Alexander Daigle. Ya know, like the bunch they have in Edmonton.

Sure he could turn out to be a career 500 goal scorer but the evidence currently is showing other wise as he's having a hard time breaking an NHL lineup and making demands.

Ferland's character can't be questioned. Nor can his determination. He has shown skill. He's got all the intangibles in a player that every team is looking for and covets.

Is it necessarily over-valuing him or is it simply a case of he's proven that he deserves a spot in the NHL and truly the sky is the limit for this kid?

It really isn't that simple.

[dammage79]

The sky is the limit is a bit much, but Ferland has earned an NHL roster spot whereas Drouin has not. Difference being Drouin is a top 6 or bust player where Ferland can fit on IMO 3 lines. There's just more options for Ferland to play in the NHL with his skill set. Does that mean he is better than Drouin, not a chance. Flames have plenty of bottom 6 players, and only 4 or 5 top six players. There's a balance not being met there. And I really don't think Ferland is ever going to be a top 6 player. He's being used as one today because well, they've tried all the other options barring call ups and he's earned a shot for a game or two until Frolik and Hudler get back.

[transplant99]

I'm not as sold as most on Drouins ability to translate his game from junior to the NHL so I look at it from a different angle.

The Flames are already a smallish/soft team that can flat out fly around the ice, so adding another small soft guy doesn't make a lot of sense and losing Ferland as a part of getting him, even more risky.

Now in fantasy world if you could do a one for one, then sure you have to make that deal but when you start adding 1st rd picks and other assets, there is no way you make that trade if you are BT.

You need all kinds of players to be successful in the NHL and the Flames have the small skilled part of that equation already covered in spades. What they need most is some big heavy/hard right wingers who can contribute which is what Ferlands upside most assuredly is.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The sky is the limit is a bit much, but Ferland has earned an NHL roster spot whereas Drouin has not. Difference being Drouin is a top 6 or bust player where Ferland can fit on IMO 3 lines. There's just more options for Ferland to play in the NHL with his skill set. Does that mean he is better than Drouin, not a chance. Flames have plenty of bottom 6 players, and only 4 or 5 top six players. There's a balance not being met there. And I really don't think Ferland is ever going to be a top 6 player. He's being used as one today because well, they've tried all the other options barring call ups and he's earned a shot for a game or two until Frolik and Hudler get back.

Stanley cup finalist vs. Third year of a rebuild

There is zero doubt that Drouin would be playing in the Flames top six right now had they drafted him

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I'm not as sold as most on Drouins ability to translate his game from junior to the NHL so I look at it from a different angle.

The Flames are already a smallish/soft team that can flat out fly around the ice, so adding another small soft guy doesn't make a lot of sense and losing Ferland as a part of getting him, even more risky.

Now in fantasy world if you could do a one for one, then sure you have to make that deal but when you start adding 1st rd picks and other assets, there is no way you make that trade if you are BT.

You need all kinds of players to be successful in the NHL and the Flames have the small skilled part of that equation already covered in spades. What they need most is some big heavy/hard right wingers who can contribute which is what Ferlands upside most assuredly is.

The Flames have 2 or 3 smaller skilled guys...they have other smaller soft guys that aren't all that skilled and won't be on the team much longer

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I guess I was to a certain degree.

But it is a bit more complicated than that. Currently Ferland offers more and has done more to earn a spot in the NHL. Drouin could turn out to be the next Alexander Daigle. Ya know, like the bunch they have in Edmonton.

Sure he could turn out to be a career 500 goal scorer but the evidence currently is showing other wise as he's having a hard time breaking an NHL lineup and making demands.

Ferland's character can't be questioned. Nor can his determination. He has shown skill. He's got all the intangibles in a player that every team is looking for and covets.

Is it necessarily over-valuing him or is it simply a case of he's proven that he deserves a spot in the NHL and truly the sky is the limit for this kid?

It really isn't that simple.

What's simple is your gross underestimation of how good a prospect Drouin is.

Ferland is a good young player and can be an important part of our team.

That said, if he could be used as a main piece to land an potential top line talent, it's a no-brainer.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

What's simple is your gross underestimation of how good a prospect Drouin is.

Facts are facts bud. I've seen him play on multiple occasions. He was lights out against kids. Sure. Nothing proven in the NHL.

It blows my mind how people think that just because a player is drafted top 5, means they will be lights out in the NHL..even eventually.

The fact is, Yzerman made a mistake drafting Drouin instead of taking Jones or a laundry list of others who are proving they belong in the NHL.

[druetetective]

For people saying Drouin isn't a proven NHL player-

He put up 32 points last year in 70 games while playing 4th line minutes. Sam B does that playing top 6 mins this year and we have to be pretty happy.

Also when comparing him to players in his draft year it's important to remember that 4/5 of the players drafted directly after him were late birthdays (Jones,Monahan,Lindholm,Risto) so they had an extra year of junior at that point.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Facts are facts bud. I've seen him play on multiple occasions. He was lights out against kids. Sure. Nothing proven in the NHL.

It blows my mind how people think that just because a player is drafted top 5, means they will be lights out in the NHL..even eventually.

The fact is, Yzerman made a mistake drafting Drouin instead of taking Jones or a laundry list of others who are proving they belong in the NHL.

Not really any sense in exploring this further. You always throw out completely one sided trade proposals devoid of any reasoning as to why an other team would take spare parts from the Flames. People tear them apart, and then you often end up agreeing.

I take any of your evaluations with a huge grain of salt, and will leave it at that.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Facts are facts bud. I've seen him play on multiple occasions. He was lights out against kids. Sure. Nothing proven in the NHL.

It blows my mind how people think that just because a player is drafted top 5, means they will be lights out in the NHL..even eventually.

The fact is, Yzerman made a mistake drafting Drouin instead of taking Jones or a laundry list of others who are proving they belong in the NHL.

To be talking hard facts 3 years after the draft is premature. The only reason for certain this pick was a mistake for Yzerman is due to the trade request. Drouin could still become a 80-100pt winger the kid is not even 21 yet.

[Street Pharmacist]

With top line minutes in the AHL he's got 5 points in 3 games

[Vinny01]

I want to see what Flames fans opinions are of this trade went down

Drouin
For
Kylington and Jankowski

The Flames are moving the 2 biggest boom/bust prospects in the organization. One is a player that has elite skating but highly questionable play in his own zone. Went from top 5 pick discussion to being the last pick in the 2nd round. Playing in the AHL and doing alright from reports. Has potential to be a high end Dman if he improves in his own end. The other player is a 21 year old former 1st round pick. Was considered an off the board pick but has filled out and is 6'4 200+lbs. After not showing much offensively he is ppg in his senior year playing as top line centre on the best team in the NCAA.

If these 2 prospects reach their potential they represent a top Dman and top line centre. Jankowski reminds me of Colborne though and he could easily end up as a bottom 6 player. Kylington is no lock to ever make the league but could also wind up as a bottom pairing pp specialist.

Drouin was a top 3 pick and has not lived up to the hype but is still only 20 and would give the Flames another elite potential winger to pit with Monahan or Bennett long term.

I think Tampa fans laugh at this proposal while some Flames fans will say no way (while others would do it easily). What are some thoughts on the deal? I do the trade for sure personally

[IgiTang]

People need to stop reffering to Drouin as Elite..

He's done nothing Elite since Jr.

He's a blue chip prospect with tons of upside potential. He will never be in the NHL "elite" discussion.