MLA Deborah Drever calls identical holiday message an ‘unfortunate error'

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Political writer for the Herald Don Braid says it is now confirmed that Drever is back in the NDP caucus.

Thanks NDP.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Who's outraged? I re-read the thread and most posts are "hey, look, Drever f...ed up again" posts vs. "not a big deal" posts. Fair game. Kinda like "hey, look, Rob Anders fell asleep while in session". You can bet that Drever is going to become the NDP Rob Anders for those of us who think that her being in Government is a joke. Can't wait for the "Drever Is a Twat" mega-thread.

Except one isn't even a f*** up on Drever's part, and has nothing to do with her ability to be an MLA. Staying awake and contributing in session is exactly Ander's job and he never did it out of pure complacency.

No one would care how much of a dick Ander's was if he actually did his job. Drever, by all accounts, has been active and contributed to the governing of the province. Don't like her or the NDP? Fine. But let's not confuse issues of personality/ideology with issues of actually working.

[pylon]

As much as I am not in favour of the NDP, people just need to let things go. We've all made stupid mistakes. If people knew some of the stupid crap I did and said in my 20's, and some of my views, I would be virtually unemployable as well. People can change their ways, and change their views. Drever as an independent has done a lot of good work. In fact, I'm hoping re-joining the NDP won't neuter her ability to continue to do so. If I were her, in one last dis-tasteful social media post, she should upload a 10 second video where she walks into frame, with the NDP logo over her crotch, and do the old school WWF D-X crotch cross/slap gesture, then do a Ric Flair rope bounce/shuffle/elbow on a picture of Notleys face.

Anyway, good for her for redeeming herself. I might not agree with her political views, but it's nice to see people redeem themselves.

[woob]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Political writer for the Herald Don Braid says it is now confirmed that Drever is back in the NDP caucus.

Good for her.

[DoubleK]

Agreed.

[Bootsy]

I really think this is a holiday message stuff is a non-issue and can't believe it even made the news.
I do think the past things she did were stupid and have a sneaky suspicion her defenders wouldn't be so fast to forgive and forget if a WRP or PC MLA made a "Lez Girlz" twitter post about Notley and Mccuaig - Boyd, but her domestic abuse bill was one of, if not the only bright spot since the NDP took over.
From all accounts it sounds like she's at least giving a solid effort which is all you can ask at this point, what's done is done.
As a matter fact , when it comes down to strictly her job performance , she's done a better job than Mccuaig - Boyd, and other higher profile NDP MLAs , albeit with much less responsibility.
Although I guess that really says more about how poor this government has been than how great of a job Drever is doing.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Political writer for the Herald Don Braid says it is now confirmed that Drever is back in the NDP caucus.

Good.

[GaiJin]

Originally Posted by pylon

As much as I am not in favour of the NDP, people just need to let things go. We've all made stupid mistakes. If people knew some of the stupid crap I did and said in my 20's, and some of my views, I would be virtually unemployable as well. People can change their ways, and change their views. Drever as an independent has done a lot of good work. In fact, I'm hoping re-joining the NDP won't neuter her ability to continue to do so. If I were her, in one last dis-tasteful social media post, she should upload a 10 second video where she walks into frame, with the NDP logo over her crotch, and do the old school WWF D-X crotch cross/slap gesture, then do a Ric Flair rope bounce/shuffle/elbow on a picture of Notleys face.

Anyway, good for her for redeeming herself. I might not agree with her political views, but it's nice to see people redeem themselves.

You really think she redeemed herself all by herself. Man, gullible or what? Notley probably makes Drevers P&J sandwich every morning to.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by GaiJin

You really think she redeemed herself all by herself. Man, gullible or what? Notley probably makes Drevers P&J sandwich every morning to.

In all honesty, I find Drever's action in the LA more likable than the work done by Joe Ceci, Margaret McCuaig-Boyd who told people to go to BC or her highness Rachael Notley so far. If Drever runs against these three esteemed NDPers, I'll rather vote for Drever and gay boyz tweet be damned.

If Drever is smart, she wouldn't lower herself and re-join that flock again.

[Ducay]

Maybe I missed it, but how did she redeem herself? Its not like she is writing any bills herself or coming up with policy. She is probably going to be involved on the periphery of anything unless it is handed to her already completed.

Is "redeeming" yourself simply not making bigoted tweets for a few months?

[Clarkey]

I love how some people are trying to turn this into a feel good 'Rudy' story. We are paying someone $127,321.07 a year who's last job was working fast food. People have the right to still be pissed off or embarrassed (if they voted for her). She had a feel good bill spoon fed to her, how does that excuse the fact that she was a complete disaster and is unqualified and incompetent.

Still waiting for someone to admit they voted for her.

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

I love how some people are trying to turn this into a feel good 'Rudy' story. We are paying someone $150-200k a year who's last job was working fast food. People have the right to still be pissed off or embarrassed (if they voted for her). She had a feel good bill spoon fed to her, how does that excuse the fact that she was a complete disaster and is unqualified and incompetent.

Still waiting for someone to admit they voted for her.

You mean ~127k + committee work? 190k is cabinet and 200k is the premier. How do people post wrong information that is so easy to get? Oh right so they can sell a story.

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[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Krovikan

You mean ~127k + committee work? 190k is cabinet and 200k is the premier. How do people post wrong information that is so easy to get? Oh right so they can sell a story.

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Not that it matters, but you're not really making any point in correcting him. $127k+committee work is in the same realm as $190k in arguments. You're still in the "way better than the average joe" territory. General public who see $127k for nothing will be just as angry as $190k. Its a tonne of dough for something with no experience and who brings nothing to the table (Not saying she can't/won't be productive and learn her role, etc, but on hire, she literally brings nothing to the LA).

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

I love how some people are trying to turn this into a feel good 'Rudy' story. We are paying someone $150-200k a year who's last job was working fast food. People have the right to still be pissed off or embarrassed (if they voted for her). She had a feel good bill spoon fed to her, how does that excuse the fact that she was a complete disaster and is unqualified and incompetent.

Still waiting for someone to admit they voted for her.

You could make a start by reading the thread.

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Not that it matters, but you're not really making any point in correcting him. $127k+committee work is in the same realm as $190k in arguments. You're still in the "way better than the average joe" territory. General public who see $127k for nothing will be just as angry as $190k. Its a tonne of dough for something with no experience and who brings nothing to the table (Not saying she can't/won't be productive and learn her role, etc, but on hire, she literally brings nothing to the LA).

127k is in a completely different realm as 190k. It is a 50% pay raise, 50%... seriously I know people like putting on political blinders, but this post is just ridiculous. If someone offered her 50% or 67k raise, that would drastically change here standard of living and spending power.

The average Joe is a ridiculous comparison for an MLA, this is someone that at a minimum has to find an office rent, it maintain a budget in that office, hiring people, consult with their constituent, consult with various stake holders when drafting and voting on policies. So really this is sort of like a regional manager position with some director responsibilities thrown in.

Average pay for a regional manager is 103k (65k-127k is the range) as per glassdoor.

Also knowing someone that her bill would have directly assisted several years ago, I completely disagree that she has brought nothing to the table.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Krovikan

127k is in a completely different realm as 190k. It is a 50% pay raise, 50%... seriously I know people like putting on political blinders, but this post is just ridiculous. If someone offered her 50% or 67k raise, that would drastically change here standard of living and spending power.

The average Joe is a ridiculous comparison for an MLA, this is someone that at a minimum has to find an office rent, it maintain a budget in that office, hiring people, consult with their constituent, consult with various stake holders when drafting and voting on policies. So really this is sort of like a regional manager position with some director responsibilities thrown in.

Average pay for a regional manager is 103k (65k-127k is the range) as per glassdoor.

Also knowing someone that her bill would have directly assisted several years ago, I completely disagree that she has brought nothing to the table.

I'm not saying there isn't a difference between $127k and $190k. I'm saying for the vast majority of the population, either number is "a lot of money", "A lot more than I make" and would get equal anger from populace.

Also do you honestly think she wrote the bill and wasn't spoonfed it? I don't know her so I can't say for sure, but lets not kid ourselves. This lady has zero experience in any related field prior to her appointment.

[MrMastodonFarm]

MOD EDIT: Knock it off.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Maybe I missed it, but how did she redeem herself?

She fought an arduous battle against the NDP to have her "private member's" bill passed. Only a sour Wildrose losser would fail to see that.


"Drever said that while she knows it can be difficult to pass a private member’s bill — especially as an Independent MLA without caucus resources — she is optimistic she will receive support."

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/poli...estic-violence

[CaptainYooh]

Speaking about nothing...

Drever’s Bill 204 would amend the Residential Tenancies Act to allow domestic violence victims to break a lease early and without penalty. If a person can demonstrate they or their children are in danger, they can receive a signed certificate from a list of professionals — such as a judge, nurse, police officer or social worker — compelling the landlord to terminate the lease. The law would also effectively allow a victim to remove an abuser’s name from a lease.

Anyone in Alberta can tell their landlord to f.. off and leave their lease anytime they want to. In fact, most bad renters do just that: they delay paying rent, wait for the legislated eviction process to take its course, while living free and then leave making their deposit pay for their last month rent. Residential rental leases in Alberta are completely toothless. While technically a tenant is on the hook for the full lease term, enforcing and recovering these costs is practically impossible. I do not have access to legal database, but if one of our lawyers here searches it, I doubt they'll find many examples of landlords successfully recovering their missed lease revenues as penalties. So, if (more like when) Drever's bill passes, it would make victims of domestic violence entitled to a return of their deposit. Wow, what an accomplishment.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Speaking about nothing...

Anyone in Alberta can tell their landlord to f.. off and leave their lease anytime they want to. In fact, most bad renters do just that: they delay paying rent, wait for the legislated eviction process to take its course, while living free and then leave making their deposit pay for their last month rent. Residential rental leases in Alberta are completely toothless. While technically a tenant is on the hook for the full lease term, enforcing and recovering these costs is practically impossible. I do not have access to legal database, but if one of our lawyers here searches it, I doubt they'll find many examples of landlords successfully recovering their missed lease revenues as penalties. So, if (more like when) Drever's bill passes, it would make victims of domestic violence entitled to a return of their deposit. Wow, what an accomplishment.

Okay so the implication here is that victims of domestic violence are bad renters to begin with, and they should have no trouble breaking the law because that's what other bad renters do to. Good to know.

The fact that they'll be allowed to legally break their lease and get their damage deposit back at a time when money is probably a little tight, and they don't have to or want to break a lease illegally is neither here nor there. Who cares!

You've really got it all figured out.

I don't have access to a weather database, but maybe someone here can check if there has ever been such a $hitstorm of petty whining, bitching, and moaning in Alberta. It's truly pathetic.

People are actually rolling their eyes at all the simpering and crying over this woman. Quite an accomplishment.