[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman on 960 thinks St. Louis is the team that wants Drouin the most.

Some talk in STL sports radio about the under performance of Pietrangelo, and the Blues team overall. I'd expect big changes here, likely in the summer, but maybe sooner, starting with Hitch

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by saillias

It's more speed and elite skill. Toews is not big. Keith is not big. I don't think your evaluation on Toews is quite on the mark. He does not cut through defense like butter. Hossa yes, he is a beast. Toews is elite skills, speed, hockey sense, and so on. As a unit they move the puck better than any team in the league. I agree that in general they dummy the Flames, because it's obvious they do, more often than not when we play that team, and we pull out wins with elite goaltending and opportunistic offense. But it's more of a modern Detroit Red Wings dummy, than them doing it because they're big.

On the other side of the puck the Hawks are better suited to counter a heavy game than the Flames are. Seabrook can handle the Carters and Getzlaf's of the league, and the Hjalmarson/Oduya pairing didn't get pushed around either. The Flames absolutely need a d-man in the top four who can break up the cycle and handle big bodies driving to the net.

[Poe969]

SO this coming off season, I want the Flames to find a way to get (in order):Hayes, Hamonic, Drouin and to draft one of Puljajarvi or Laine. Since I"m dreaming, why not shoot for Holtby too!

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

On the other side of the puck the Hawks are better suited to counter a heavy game than the Flames are. Seabrook can handle the Carters and Getzlaf's of the league, and the Hjalmarson/Oduya pairing didn't get pushed around either. The Flames absolutely need a d-man in the top four who can break up the cycle and handle big bodies driving to the net.

Hopefully that is the type of player Dougie can turn into

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

What was Baertschi's ppg when we traded him? I'm guessing around the same.

if you are trying to imply Sven is and equal player I would strongly disagree...he has 42 points in 102 games not sure what the Calgary numbers are

Calgary got a second rounder for Sven after he asked for a trade...Drouin will fetch more you can bet your ass

[Red]

Originally Posted by saillias

It's more speed and elite skill. Toews is not big. Keith is not big. I don't think your evaluation on Toews is quite on the mark. He does not cut through defense like butter. Hossa yes, he is a beast. Toews is elite skills, speed, hockey sense, and so on. As a unit they move the puck better than any team in the league. I agree that in general they dummy the Flames, because it's obvious they do, more often than not when we play that team, and we pull out wins with elite goaltending and opportunistic offense. But it's more of a modern Detroit Red Wings dummy, than them doing it because they're big.

Toews is tough as nails and very hard to knock off the puck. He is not huge but at 6'2 he is big and his legs are like tree trunks. He can hang with the Carters and Getzlafs....our best combination of size and skill up front is Sean Monahan.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dino7c

if you are trying to imply Sven is and equal player I would strongly disagree...he has 42 points in 102 games not sure what the Calgary numbers are

Calgary got a second rounder for Sven after he asked for a trade...Drouin will fetch more you can bet your ass

Agreed. Any deal involving Drouin will (most likely) see a 1st round pick going back to Tampa.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hopefully that is the type of player Dougie can turn into

I was going to post this. I've noticed he's been a lot more physical over the past 10-15 games and has actually had a few nice open ice hits to boot.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

On the other side of the puck the Hawks are better suited to counter a heavy game than the Flames are. Seabrook can handle the Carters and Getzlaf's of the league, and the Hjalmarson/Oduya pairing didn't get pushed around either. The Flames absolutely need a d-man in the top four who can break up the cycle and handle big bodies driving to the net.

True, which is why all the undervaluing and even some outright trashing of Hamonic when that rumor came up was a bit odd.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by dino7c

if you are trying to imply Sven is and equal player I would strongly disagree...he has 42 points in 102 games not sure what the Calgary numbers are

Calgary got a second rounder for Sven after he asked for a trade...Drouin will fetch more you can bet your ass

22 points in 66 games.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Robbob

22 points in 66 games.

It was higher than that. He was around .5 ppg if memory serves. At one point he and Monahan had the same points in the same amount of games, something like 32 in 64.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

It was higher than that. He was around .5 ppg if memory serves. At one point he and Monahan had the same points in the same amount of games, something like 32 in 64.

You know that he played games before Monahan was a Flame right?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dino7c

if you are trying to imply Sven is and equal player I would strongly disagree...he has 42 points in 102 games not sure what the Calgary numbers are

Calgary got a second rounder for Sven after he asked for a trade...Drouin will fetch more you can bet your ass

I don't think they are equal today obviously as Drouin is almost 2.5 years younger. He will be traded for more because he is younger at the time, he has better draft pedigree and he's not going to be waiver eligible next year.

Baertschi is already a bust and Drouin still has some time. However, I think the hype train at the time and the early returns at the pro level are very similar. They are similar in other ways too, both are smallish, playmaking LW that scorched juniors and couldn't deliver a good two way game or be good enough offensively to overcome a lack of defensive awareness in the NHL (early on). Even their production is similar though the early part of their careers, granted Drouin is younger. So no, they aren't equal but no two players are. i think they are comparable in a lot of ways, though obviously Drouin was always a shinier prospect.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by mdubz

You know that he played games before Monahan was a Flame right?

Yeah... so what?

[868904]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Baertschi is already a bust

I hope you are right, but it appears that the undeserving entitled brat is playing very well lately.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by 868904

I hope you are right, but it appears that the undeserving entitled brat is playing very well lately.

He's softer than baby poo and he's currently on pace for 12 goals and 26 points. I'm not too concerned, recent 'hot streak' or not.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Robbob

22 points in 66 games.

28 in 66 with the Flames. 15 in 36 with the Canucks. Almost identical points per game.

[socalwingfan]

Drouin scores 2 goals in the first period of his AHL game tonight - period not over yet

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by getbak

28 in 66 with the Flames. 15 in 36 with the Canucks. Almost identical points per game.

The kind of numbers that would be good for a 3/4 two way defenseman. Not so good when you're a one dimensional 'scorer'.

[hockey.modern]

So apparently 16 teams are watching him play right now.