[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[Two Fivenagame]

Kylington has 9pts already and is on pace to pass Voynov for the most points by an 18 y/o D in the AHL.

No touchy

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Sure, Drouin's upside is higher than Horvat's. But Horvat has been showing for a season and a hoalf already that he is a legitmate NHLer.

I thought Canuck fans have been upset with Horvat's performance this season. He has 11 points in 40 games, with a -19 ratings. Drouin has 8 points in 19 games this season.

In their first two seasons, Drouin has 4 more points in 19 fewer games than Horvat.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Tough call honestly. If I were GM and had to pick one of the three to move, Andersson would NOT move at all, he's the best of both the other players, so well balanced.

Which leaves Hickey and Kylington left to decide on.

Really depends on if you want All-world skating and offense in your line up or a more defensively sound player to anchor your already bolstered offensive top 6.

If I were to pick, I'd move Hickey. Kylington has the "It" factor about him that is too tantalizing to let go. Only because I think you can find more defensively sound player easily in the Market wheras gifted talents like Kylington only become available when on the verge of busting or being driven out for character issues.

They all fit the MO of the Flames defense, they all just bring it to the table differently.

Yeah, for me the tantalysing upside of Kylington makes him an untouchable for the moment, and I have been hugely impressed by Andersson this season.

I think of the three I would reluctantly move Hickey, but would expect that to get a lot of attention. I think I would include Hickey in a package for Drouin, depending on what else was involved.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

CGY 1st rounder + Kylington

for

Drouin

Possible? Too much? Too little?

Too much. Pass.

Besides, I don't think TB makes a deal unless they receive back a roster player.

[Caged Great]

I seriously would not trade Kylington 1 for 1 for Drouin.

Kylington is looking like he's going to be one hell of a D-man, potential star calibre talent. Getting one on D is far far far more difficult than for a forward. Think of TJ Brodie's ability to pinch but with a 100 mph slapper that's accurate. He did out score Erik Karlsson in the same league/age before he was drafted and played in the mens league in Sweden before EK and was the best offensive D-man there in recent history for his age. Now he's on pace to break the record for most points by an 18 year old D man in the AHL. You don't trade that.

I would include Hickey in a deal though. He is good, but doesn't have the same upside as either Andersson or OK.

[polak]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Why do we want Drouin? Does he help you get past the likes of Anaheim, LA and Chicago? Not for me.

Don't get me wrong, having speed and skill is all well and good, but will that get you deep into the Western Conference play offs on a consistent basis? At the risk of sounding like Burke, we need more size and I'm not a huge advocate of having size. But the Ducks and Kings games for me really hammered home that not only are we lacking quality in our top 6, we are also lacking size throughout the team. Hell, even teams like the Stars have big top end guys who can throw a huge hit. We need forwards who play a hard physical game, but can also mix it skill wise.

I would much rather go for Gauthier or another big bodied winger at the draft than trade for another small guy like Drouin.

If he can be had for cheap

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by getbak

I thought Canuck fans have been upset with Horvat's performance this season. He has 11 points in 40 games, with a -19 ratings. Drouin has 8 points in 19 games this season.

In their first two seasons, Drouin has 4 more points in 19 fewer games than Horvat.

While I agree that Horvat has a very limited offensive ceiling, this has not deterred many Canucks fans from believing that he is a sure-fire future top six player. Most have him pencilled in as their future second line centre behind Jared McCann—the heir apparent to Henrik Sedin.

...I know, right?

[jg13]

Wouldn't be surprised if we offered our first rounder.

Would be very surprised if Yzerman took it, he's probably looking for us to add one of hickey/andersson/kylington.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

While I agree that Horvat has a very limited offensive ceiling, this has not deterred many Canucks fans from believing that he is a sure-fire future top six player. Most have him pencilled in as their future second line centre behind Jared McCann—the heir apparent to Henrik Sedin.

...I know, right?

It's not too far fetched. A forward cracking the NHL at his age has the IQ and physical skills (skating, shooting) to figure out how to score eventually as well. Similar doubts were once made about Andrew Ladd among others

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I seriously would not trade Kylington 1 for 1 for Drouin.

Kylington is looking like he's going to be one hell of a D-man, potential star calibre talent. Getting one on D is far far far more difficult than for a forward. Think of TJ Brodie's ability to pinch but with a 100 mph slapper that's accurate. He did out score Erik Karlsson in the same league/age before he was drafted and played in the mens league in Sweden before EK and was the best offensive D-man there in recent history for his age. Now he's on pace to break the record for most points by an 18 year old D man in the AHL. You don't trade that.

I would include Hickey in a deal though. He is good, but doesn't have the same upside as either Andersson or OK.

That's insanity. I would do that deal every day of the weak. Skilled F we need more than pick moving dmen.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Kylington has 9pts already and is on pace to pass Voynov for the most points by an 18 y/o D in the AHL.

No touchy

23pts is the highest AHL point total by an 18 year old defenceman?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Hackey

23pts is the highest AHL point total by an 18 year old defenceman?

Yes. Not surprising as not many 18 year olds play in the AHL because of the CHL agreement and most Euros prefer staying in home countries than playing in the AHL.

[Hackey]

Ya I know its not very common for 18 year olds to play in the AHL just a bit surprising the point total is that low. Promising tidbit to find out though.

[burnitdown]

nm

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I would trust Brad would trot out the Turris example and offer up a 2nd + Poirier type of deal. Can't see it happening, as it isn't a high need for Calgary.
Vancouver, on the other hand...should be desperate to add skill to that lineup.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Hackey

23pts is the highest AHL point total by an 18 year old defenceman?

It may have been, but Stars 2014 first rounder Julius Honka had 31 a season ago and I think he was 18. So I think Voynov's record was just broken.

[Buff]

With lots of teams interested, this trade request will likely not happen anytime soon. Earliest I can see is the trade deadline, but if I were Yzerman, I'd make the kid sweat it out in the AHL. Maybe move him at the draft if I were to do so, otherwise, next year's deadline if he doesn't make the team with improved play and attitude.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I seriously would not trade Kylington 1 for 1 for Drouin.

Kylington is looking like he's going to be one hell of a D-man, potential star calibre talent. Getting one on D is far far far more difficult than for a forward. Think of TJ Brodie's ability to pinch but with a 100 mph slapper that's accurate. He did out score Erik Karlsson in the same league/age before he was drafted and played in the mens league in Sweden before EK and was the best offensive D-man there in recent history for his age. Now he's on pace to break the record for most points by an 18 year old D man in the AHL. You don't trade that.

I would include Hickey in a deal though. He is good, but doesn't have the same upside as either Andersson or OK.

This is a great point and that's what the Flames are missing - a point man who can really shoot the puck. Currently, the Flames have Wideman and God, how I curse him every time for not using his given talent. I look back at the glory years of the Flames when they had Al MacInnis - dang, the Flames really miss him on the point after he got traded. If you have a D-man that can shoot hard and accurate like MacInnis, he's a franchise D-man. Drouin is a dime a dozen.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It may have been, but Stars 2014 first rounder Julius Honka had 31 a season ago and I think he was 18. So I think Voynov's record was just broken.

Seems like he was 19.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It may have been, but Stars 2014 first rounder Julius Honka had 31 a season ago and I think he was 18. So I think Voynov's record was just broken.

Born December 95. He was 18 for half of that season. Not sure what points total he was up to before he turned 19, but I'm betting it wasn't 31.