[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Bennett being brought up in this is laughable.

Bennett was a high pick himself, but more recently and has managed to break into the league BEFORE Drouin.

At the worst they have equal value, but IMO Bennett has more value...

Whether or not Bennett has more value in the hockey world than Drouin right now, I think it is safe to conclude that he is abundantly more valuable to the Flames and their future. I would worry that swapping these players would produce a hole at centre in Calgary, and would upset the developing balance of skill, size, "grit" that Bennett provides to the core group.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Bennett is more valuable than Drouin and I don't think that's even debatable.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

Bennett is more valuable than Drouin and I don't think that's even debatable.

It's not as far off as you think. They are both highly touted prospects drafted a year apart, 3rd and 4th overall respectively. Any difference in their value likely comes down to the position they play and the fact that Bennett could be a 3rd liner and still have a career.

[Harry Lime]

Tampa Bay wants : An upgrade on RD roster player, NHL ready LD with upside (prospects are 2 or more years away), salary flexibility, a young skilled energy player, low first or high second.

How many teams out of that 13 can beat :
Dennis Wideman
Brett Kulak/Tyler Wotherspoon
Taking on Matt Carle's contract
Joe Colborne/Josh Jooris
2nd round pick

Probably a couple of better offers out there.

[Poe969]

I think the Flames would have to give up at least one roster player that helps now and something that helps the future. I'm thinking one of Porier or Klimchuck, maybe someone like Backlund and a pick. Does that seem even remotely close?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

It's not as far off as you think. They are both highly touted prospects drafted a year apart, 3rd and 4th overall respectively. Any difference in their value likely comes down to the position they play and the fact that Bennett could be a 3rd liner and still have a career.

Except that Bennett has actually proven himself as a force in the NHL, despite being younger?

Drouin has 6 goals in 95 games. Bennett has 8 goals in 50 games.

[TurdFerguson]

Assuming that you're not moving one of the core youth pieces, I would think TB starts with our 1st +. I just can't imagine a deal without one high-end value piece.

1st + Poirier/Klimchuk + Andersson

[Poe969]

I wouldn't trade our first for Drouin. If that's what it would take, I'd walk away.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Except that Bennett has actually proven himself as a force in the NHL, despite being younger?

Drouin has 6 goals in 95 games. Bennett has 8 goals in 50 games.

They both aren't very good at scoring goals. Yet.

I agree Bennett is worth more but it's not like a huge gap IMO.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

They both aren't very good at scoring goals. Yet.

I agree Bennett is worth more but it's not like a huge gap IMO.

Then assuming that a theoretical deal revolves around Bennett for Drouin+, what would you say the + would have to be, to net fair value for Calgary?

[Vinny01]

If Tampa can't get fair value in terms of a young player back they may want to dump a contract like Carle on the team taking him. He has zero points and makes $5.5M against the cap for 2 more seasons after this. Way too rich for the Flames to take on considering the Wideman, Smid, and Enellend contracts do not expire this year.

Flames assets the Lightning may want that the Flames would part with include Russell, Hudler, and several prospects. I would include any one of Kylington, Anderson, or Hickey in a deal for Drouin. Porier , Klimchuck or Jankowski as well.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Then assuming that a theoretical deal revolves around Bennett for Drouin+, what would you say the + would have to be, to net fair value for Calgary?

I don't do the trade even if the + is Tampa's 1st. I am a big Bennett fan though

[ComixZone]

Flames won't be trading Bennett. He embodies our team identity.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Then assuming that a theoretical deal revolves around Bennett for Drouin+, what would you say the + would have to be, to net fair value for Calgary?

Realistically, Tampa would have to add two of Erne, Stephens or DeAngelo. I don't think Tampa is in such a strong position to ask for a player of Bennett's calibre without overpaying.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

Assuming that you're not moving one of the core youth pieces, I would think TB starts with our 1st +. I just can't imagine a deal without one high-end value piece.

1st + Poirier/Klimchuk + Andersson

Historically though that is way way too much. Turris went for a decent prospect and a 2nd. You are saying a 1st (that easily looks top 15), a prospect drafted in the first round (great rookie year pro but a rough sophomore season) and a 2nd rounder who is near a ppg as a junior (Dman)

That is as much or more tha we gave up for Dougie who is a 6'5 Dman thst scored 42pts as a 21 year old

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Then assuming that a theoretical deal revolves around Bennett for Drouin+, what would you say the + would have to be, to net fair value for Calgary?

I wouldn't do because I like Bennett too much. I'm trying to imagine myself as Yzerman here, but something along these lines:

Bennett+Klimchuk+Ortio for Drouin+Vasilevskiy+late pick

Or maybe Bennett for Drouin+2nd/3rd

The way some make it sound it should be Bennett for Drouin+1st.

[Vinny01]

I am going to make likely a bad proposal here (in the ways of many posters)

Drouin+Bishop
For
Granlund, Russell, Ramo, Hickey/Anderson/Kylington

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I just don't think there's a fit with us. Can't see BT giving up too much for pure potential. Especially since everything desirable we have is basically potential outside the 'unmoveables'

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am going to make likely a bad proposal here (in the ways of many posters)

Drouin+Bishop
For
Granlund, Russell, Ramo, Hickey/Anderson/Kylington

That doesn't even get you Bishop

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I wouldn't trade our first for Drouin. If that's what it would take, I'd walk away.

I definitely would.

I would take the opportunity to accelerate our rebuild slightly. The main reason being that Giordano is now 32. Going on a run while he is still in his prime would help the team a lot. Plus the way we are playing, our pick may only be in the 15-20 range. You aren't going to get a player of Drouin's calibre anywhere near that range, at least one that won't take many years to develop.

The Flames should be in on this. They are one of a few teams with lots of young assets and also the ability to take on cap space/salary.

Hamilton, Brodie, Gaudreau, Monahan, Giordano, Ferland, and Bennett are not on the table. Anything else, I'd offer.

That being said, although we a lot to offer, we don't have a prospect like Hertl or Nichushkin, who is very high end but potentially looking for a change of scenery.