[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[nik-]

Yeah, I don't give up any of Gio, Brodie, Monahan, Gaudreau or Bennett for Drouin. He's just not that big a need.

It likely means we can't match other offers out there, but that's life.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I would still give priority to Drouin... IF he truly is as good as they say. The difference between Drouin and Namestnikov can't be the difference between winning and losing unless Drouin is just THAT bad.

Drouin's problems to my eye the few times I've watched him in the NHL aren't defensively (not that he's great there). It's his tendancy to turn the puck over in the offensive zone.

Johnny had this tendency last year and Hartley let him play through it because he's a gamebreaker. It seems Cooper doesn't want to let him learn on the job.

[sureLoss]

McKenzie also wrote in that article that he expects Drouin's trade value to be at its maximum in the next 10 days, not at the deadline or during the summer. FWIW

[dammage79]

I can see that. Fresh on the block and almost all teams making pitches.

[Vinny01]

This is a player that fits the current age group of the core that we all hope brings a cup back to Calgary. I hope there is a fit for Calgary because I would love to have 2 young winger-centre combos moving forward.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yeah, I don't give up any of Gio, Brodie, Monahan, Gaudreau or Bennett for Drouin. He's just not that big a need.

It likely means we can't match other offers out there, but that's life.

Add Hamilton to that list

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by codynw

Yea, no way I'd be happy with a Bennett for Drouin trade. Not even a little bit.

Agreed even if Tampa added I wouldn't make that trade Bennett is going to be a star thst plays a gritty game. Those are players you win championships with

[hockey.modern]

If we were to acquire Drouin, would teams be interested at a draft for him? Maybe we could flip Drouin for one of the Finns.

[ScorchyScorch]

Bennett probably has an edge in value, tbh. Just more tools in his toolbox and a bit more size too. So...no.

Calgary would have to deal from its blue line. I'd have any one of Wideman/Russell/Nakladal/Wotherspoon/Kylington on the table. We have enough top end depth at D to handle it. Plus a high round pick/s.

[Tacopuck]

Based on the accounts that Treliving is always on the phone kicking tires I assume Calgary is on that list because of that

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

If we were to acquire Drouin, would teams be interested at a draft for him? Maybe we could flip Drouin for one of the Finns.

Don't think anyone will trade a larger skilled winger for the smaller skilled winger.

Maybe if they were interested in cutting off a year or two off development time but doubtful.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by blankall

I actually understand where Jonathan Drouin is coming from and don't think he is out of line.

The NHL has changed. If you look at the figures, forwards peak at 24-25 and usually go through a fairly sharp decline at 27. This idea that every young player has to learn a solid two way game and pay his dues in the minors simply doesn't jive with reality anymore.

If you're a top talent and your playing in a system with an old school development program, it can be disastrous to your career. Your window in the new NHL is tiny.

Drouin paid his dues when he destroyed the Q, and when given opportunities in the NHL he's shown he can score there too. Him being sent down everytime he has a 4 game dry spell is absurd. Particularly when he's been given minimal ice time. You can call Drouin "whiny" or selfish, but the simple fact of the matter is that professional sports is a cut throat business. If you don't act selfishly, you won't get the opportunities you otherwise would.

Drouin will be turning 21 shortly. He should be getting the prime ice time, as he is entering his peak production years. If he waits until he's 23 or 24 then he's left with a very short time to actually play in the NHL at a peak level. If Tampa can't provide him with that opportunity, it's time to get out.

With Hudler being injured this team could use another top 6 with similar ability.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ScorchyScorch

Calgary would have to deal from its blue line. I'd have any one of Wideman/Russell/Nakladal/Wotherspoon/Kylington on the table. We have enough top end depth at D to handle it. Plus a high round pick/s.

I do not think you realize how well Oliver Kylington is playing right now in the AHL. If he maintains this pace he will be our #4 Defenseman to open 2017-18 and a huge part of our future success. He is absolutely off the table and I'm not someone who overrates him a whole lot. I prefer what Hickey brings to the table in terms of physicality and intelligence but Kylington could be a gamebreaker for us. On the bright side I don't see Tampa having much interest in him as they have Anthony DeAngelo in their prospect pool.

[Roof-Daddy]

Bennett being brought up in this is laughable.

Bennett was a high pick himself, but more recently and has managed to break into the league BEFORE Drouin.

At the worst they have equal value, but IMO Bennett has more value.

Just look at the boat load of top 5 picks that were traded within 2-3 seasons of being drafted. they really didn't return a whole heck of a lot and neither will Drouin.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

If we were to acquire Drouin, would teams be interested at a draft for him? Maybe we could flip Drouin for one of the Finns.

Even if we are in a position to draft one of them (I highly doubt it), I wouldn't do that trade. We need Puljujarvi or Laine much more than we need Drouin AINEC. Big, RH goal scorer over a small, finesse, LH playmaker 11 times out of 10.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I do not think you realize how well Oliver Kylington is playing right now in the AHL. If he maintains this pace he will be our #4 Defenseman to open 2017-18 and a huge part of our future success. He is absolutely off the table and I'm not someone who overrates him a whole lot. I prefer what Hickey brings to the table in terms of physicality and intelligence but Kylington could be a gamebreaker for us. On the bright side I don't see Tampa having much interest in him as they have Anthony DeAngelo in their prospect pool.

There's only going to be room for one of Kylington, Hickey or Andersson. The prudent move would be to package one of them for a need elsewhere when the time is right.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Add Hamilton to that list

yup. Not sure how I forgot him.

[hockey.modern]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Even if we are in a position to draft one of them (I highly doubt it), I wouldn't do that trade. We need Puljujarvi or Laine much more than we need Drouin AINEC. Big, RH goal scorer over a small, finesse, LH playmaker 11 times out of 10.

No, no I was saying opposite of what you were saying. Acquire Drouin then flip him for Puljujarvi/Laine. But like what SureLoss said, teams are unlikely to give up big wingers for a smaller one.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I do not think you realize how well Oliver Kylington is playing right now in the AHL. If he maintains this pace he will be our #4 Defenseman to open 2017-18 and a huge part of our future success. He is absolutely off the table and I'm not someone who overrates him a whole lot. I prefer what Hickey brings to the table in terms of physicality and intelligence but Kylington could be a gamebreaker for us. On the bright side I don't see Tampa having much interest in him as they have Anthony DeAngelo in their prospect pool.

I tend to agree, but if the Flames are serious about making a deal of this sort, then I suspect that they would need to include one of Hickey, Andersson, Kylington, since they won't be including any of Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Brodie, or Hamilton. I would be on board with including one of these promising blue liners in a package for Drouin.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I honestly wonder what the Flames could give to make this deal happen. I also think the Avs are going to throw everything they can at the bolts to make it happen.

I suggested something similar before, but Poirier + Klimchuk + 2nd round pick.