The Redemption Of Karri Ramo

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Bingo

only one back to back this month ... does Hiller start that game in Carolina? Guessing so.

McDonald didn't set the world afire at the WJC, but he's young and still a good prospect. Gillies is the man in the system, so hopefully his surgery recovery goes well, but assuming it does he's still 2 years away at least.

So what do you do with Ramo and a contract? I doubt he wants a one year deal again, but then I'm guessing the Flames don't either.

is he now a 3 years 15M guy?

Please god no.

Ramo has looked amazing the last 2 months I will give him that but, to me anyway, we are waiting for the other shoe to drop. He's still inconsistent as all hell and there's no reason to think this will last.

Not trying to be negative or combative, it's just how I feel. I would love if Ramo could become a true number one worth that kind of dough, I'm just very skeptical.

[StrykerSteve]

15-12-1, 2.54 GAA, .913 SP, 1SO.

2.27GAA and .919 SP in December.

Incredible turnaround from his early season woes, major props to Karri for making it happen.

[calgaryvictorious]

I think Ramo definitely has a place in the organization for now, but only time will tell if he has earned the starting position for next year.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Bingo

only one back to back this month ... does Hiller start that game in Carolina? Guessing so.

McDonald didn't set the world afire at the WJC, but he's young and still a good prospect. Gillies is the man in the system, so hopefully his surgery recovery goes well, but assuming it does he's still 2 years away at least.

So what do you do with Ramo and a contract? I doubt he wants a one year deal again, but then I'm guessing the Flames don't either.

is he now a 3 years 15M guy?

I don't know if he's a 5/year guy yet, but I wouldn't mind him signed to 2-3 years.

If anything, Ramo struggles with less on his shoulders. Give him confidence, and he is a goalie we can win in front of. Gillies is really the only goalie we have that I put too much confidence in anymore, and he's 2-3 years off at least.

He's on a $3.8M now? I'd hope he takes a 3 year $12M

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Split98

I don't know if he's a 5/year guy yet, but I wouldn't mind him signed to 2-3 years.

If anything, Ramo struggles with less on his shoulders. Give him confidence, and he is a goalie we can win in front of. Gillies is really the only goalie we have that I put too much confidence in anymore, and he's 2-3 years off at least.

He's on a $3.8M now? I'd hope he takes a 3 year $12M

Ramo seems to be enjoying the work load he has been given. He looks more calmer in the net and seems to have solved the issues with him losing the net when he goes side to side. Our defence appears to have confidence in him when you look at the numbers we are getting from the backend in the last few months.

Unless we can make a trade, Ramo might be our best option going forward. Your suggestion of 3 years $12M might work.

[btimbit]

Looking at the crop of UFA goaltenders, I'd be completely on board with Ramo for another 2-3 years. IF he maintains this level of play for the rest of the season,or at least close to it.

What are realistic trade targets? Andersen? Howard? Bishop? I'm not sure Howard is any better than Ramo at this point. Bishop would be expensive. Haven't seen enough of Andersen to say anything either way

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Please god no.

Ramo has looked amazing the last 2 months I will give him that but, to me anyway, we are waiting for the other shoe to drop. He's still inconsistent as all hell and there's no reason to think this will last.

Not trying to be negative or combative, it's just how I feel. I would love if Ramo could become a true number one worth that kind of dough, I'm just very skeptical.

Listening to Ramo talk with the media I sense confidence in himself and his game was always his biggest demon. I also heard him talk about how Siglet has changed the way he plays by being deeper in the net, not scrambling as much and working on his not losing the net when he goes side to side.

I agree he's been inconsistent but at the same time he has my respect for how he handled his demotion to Stockton and his approach to the game when he was recalled. I'm hoping he's turned the corner to becoming a consistant NHL tender. Time will tell I guess.

[DeluxeMoustache]

No goalie in the league would have had respectable numbers on the Flames in October.

Ramo is a competitor and with proper defense shows he is a quality tender

Injured Brodie, rusty Gio and lost/adapting Hamilton prolonged the 3 headed monster

This is all behind them, and respectable stats include garbage start plus a very long stretch of consistent quality play with many huge timely saves

Good on you, Ramo

[Stay Golden]

For Ramo to respond to being put on waivers in the way he has is such great example of professional pride.
Ramo has really been impressive in the past 20 or so games.

[trumpethead]

It was almost exactly 4 years ago that we acquired Cammalleri, Ramo and a 5th from the Habs for Patrick Holland, Rene Bourque and a 2nd. One of the best trades that Jay Feaster made during his time as GM here.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Split98

I don't know if he's a 5/year guy yet, but I wouldn't mind him signed to 2-3 years.

If anything, Ramo struggles with less on his shoulders. Give him confidence, and he is a goalie we can win in front of. Gillies is really the only goalie we have that I put too much confidence in anymore, and he's 2-3 years off at least.

He's on a $3.8M now? I'd hope he takes a 3 year $12M

Has Ramo really earned a raise yet? Playing amazing right now, and I'm not even saying I'm not feeling good about it continuing. But if you were to resign him today, not sure he's earned more money on his next deal. Based on the start to this year, lots and lots of questions about his ability to play well consistently.

I guess the answer is, we wouldn't likely sign him now, as we want to see more, and he wants more time to earn more cash. But he's been playing well only for as long as he was struggling so far this year. A month a go everyone was fine with waving him based on 6 weeks of struggles, now we are willing to re-sign for more money based on 5 weeks of good play.

[CaptainCrunch]

With Gibson going down last night, he's probably in the discussion for the replacement at the all star game along with Nilsson in Edmonton. That would be an amazing story.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

With Gibson going down last night, he's probably in the discussion for the replacement at the all star game along with Nilsson in Edmonton. That would be an amazing story.

From being on the waiver wire to getting an ASG nod would be quite the story.

[StrykerSteve]

John Scott is already telling that story.

[Funkhouser]

I would offer him a 2-yr contract at $4M per.
This is essentially a raise for him. His present salary is inflated due to the fact he took a 1 year deal; the Flames paid him more to walk into an awkward situation where there was a large risk of him going to the AHL.

The next contract would offer him stability and the chance to be the undisputed starter, something which I think he would value.

Lets not forget, no one picked him up on waivers and no one else was interested during free agency...I think Kari would be interested in $4m (or potentially slightly less)

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Please god no.

Ramo has looked amazing the last 2 months I will give him that but, to me anyway, we are waiting for the other shoe to drop. He's still inconsistent as all hell and there's no reason to think this will last.

Not trying to be negative or combative, it's just how I feel. I would love if Ramo could become a true number one worth that kind of dough, I'm just very skeptical.

Same. We've seen this before. He always regresses back to old Ramo.

His save percentage even in his strong stretches, and this December is still nothing special. It's about league average. Not too enthused about throwing even more money at a goalie who's downside is sieve and upside is average.

[StrykerSteve]

Calgary fans haven't seen this before. He's a certifiable starter now, playing 95% of the team's games for more than a quarter of the season and delivering strong, consistent results. It's not fair to simply label it as "same old Ramo". Give the guy some props, he's earned it.

[Strange Brew]

Ramo has earned major props for turning his season around and frankly saving the Flames season. There were some suggesting that signing Ramo and creating the 3 goalie rotation was the day the Flames missed the playoffs. Not an unreasonable reaction given how bad Ramo and the team looked.

Now the entire season rides on his shoulders. But if it's me, I'm not re-signing him until the season is over and we see how he handles being the starter for most of the year. If he continues on current pace, I'm ok with a 3 year deal at $4 to $5 million per. I would still look for a veteran backup at $1 to $2 million per.

[Itse]

Rämös stats for the last three years:
2013-14: GAA 2.65, SV% .911
2014-15: GAA 2.60, SV% .912
2015-16: GAA 2.54, SV% .913

I think that's enough of a sample size to say that what we've seen this season on average is what Karri Rämö is on average.

He's not as good as he's been recently, but also not as bad as the way he started the season. Goalie stats are largely team stats, so comparing them to other team is problematic, but here's one way to see what he's worth.

His salary of $3.8M makes him 27th on the goalie salary list this season.
His save percentage makes him 27th on the SV% list this season.
His GAA makes him 29th on that list.

A bit of a coincidence of course that those numbers are that close, but I think it's still safe to say that he is being paid market value. A raise of 200k next season would still be around market value. (It would only move him up 1 spot this season, and salaries have a tendency to rise.)

[saillias]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Calgary fans haven't seen this before. He's a certifiable starter now, playing 95% of the team's games for more than a quarter of the season and delivering strong, consistent results. It's not fair to simply label it as "same old Ramo". Give the guy some props, he's earned it.

Disagree 100%. He had the ball several times last season. Just not for this many straight, which has a lot to do with how scary Hiller has been.